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Postby jaronson » Sat May 10, 2003 5:57 pm

I was at that Iowa Cubs game last night. Beck was throwing sh-moke...Catcher dropped the ball on a strikeout and then threw the ball over the 1st Baseman's head. Hence, the "extra" K!
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Postby smallface99 » Sat May 10, 2003 6:09 pm

Dusty Baker is one of the, if not the, best manager in the game. Period. What he did in SF was incredible and give him a few years and the Cubs will return to glory (after how many years?). Wood is a gamer and very well could have played a huge role in the decision to stay in the game. Dusty Baker is by no means a moron, as a Giants fan I would take him back in a second (no offense to Alou who has done an excellent job).
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Postby jwhands » Sat May 10, 2003 6:30 pm

It's this simple.....

Dusty Baker is NOT the best manager in baseball. He IS the best out of getting the most from his players. However, he has to be one of the worst at managing a staff. Look at when the Giants played the Mets in 2000. Both Nen and Felix wound up with dead arms because of too much use during the season, and it wound up costing the Giants that series. Last year he finally started managing pitchers a little better, and it got him in the World Series.

Being a Cubs fan, I was a little skeptical when the Cubs hired Dusty. I new he'd make them a winner, but I'm scared that he is going to destroy some solid young arms in the long run.
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Postby jdh » Sat May 10, 2003 6:35 pm

Apparently, this is the highest pitch count ever run up by Wood, and his previous highest was 133, and that was 5 years ago before he got injured. Letting him run up a count like that is just pure managerial ineptitude and is begging for an injury.
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Postby OldBloodhound » Sat May 10, 2003 6:55 pm

I'd trade Dusty for Bob Boone of the Reds in a heartbeat. Until you've endured Boone's micro-managing ways, You've no idea how frustrating a "moronic" manager can be. At least Baker has won-you may not agree with some decisions, but he HAS been sucessful. Having said that...That IS one heck of a lot of pitches! Maybe he lost count...
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Postby Guest » Sat May 10, 2003 7:09 pm

jdh wrote:Apparently, this is the highest pitch count ever run up by Wood, and his previous highest was 133, and that was 5 years ago before he got injured. Letting him run up a count like that is just pure managerial ineptitude and is begging for an injury.


that's it. only 60 pitches for prior on monday/tuesday. dusty needs to get proverbially slapped on the wrist with a ruler.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sat May 10, 2003 8:02 pm

I think Dusty Baker is more known for his success at "player relations" than other parts of the managerial job. He seems to get good seasons out of players you wouldn't expect good seasons from. I don't think he's a great manager because he wastes roster spots on useless players (Shawon Dunston last year, Neifi Perez this year, among others) and seems to have a desire to let crappy veteran firstbasemen block promising young firstbasemen on the teams he manages (J.T. Snow over Damon Minor, Eric Karros over H.S. Choi). In San Fran, he ran Livan Hernandez out there for 120+ pitches many times. Letting Wood throw 141 is utterly ridiculous, especially consdiring what's happened with A.J. Burnett and Josh Beckett in the last week. What I'm surprised about is that Wood only pitched 7 innings, giving up 4 hits and 3 walks, and STILL threw that many pitches. I didn't see the game, but he must have been struggling with his control all game. After hearing he threw 141, I thought he must have gone at least 9, maybe 10 innings.
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Postby jaronson » Sat May 10, 2003 8:22 pm

AND...Doesn't Larry Rothschild(Cubs Pitching Coach) have a say in this, too?
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun May 11, 2003 2:39 am

smallface99 wrote:Dusty Baker is one of the, if not the, best manager in the game. Period. What he did in SF was incredible and give him a few years and the Cubs will return to glory (after how many years?). Wood is a gamer and very well could have played a huge role in the decision to stay in the game. Dusty Baker is by no means a moron, as a Giants fan I would take him back in a second (no offense to Alou who has done an excellent job).


Baker yes is a good mgr. However, hes close to the worst in pitch counts. In last 4 years, Baker lead in 2 of them in pitch counts over 120. BB America just hit the stands with Prior on cover with pitch counts as a story.
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Postby Madison » Sun May 11, 2003 4:00 am

I agree that 141 pitches is too much. I have no idea what some manager's thought processes are, but 141 is too many for any pitcher including, Unit, Schilling, Colon.......anyone.
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