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Postby squirtle » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:33 pm

I can't find much...do you think he's settled down for the season? I wasn't sure if his velocity was down early on or what...
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Postby Pokey » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:39 pm

Seems like it's been forever since he's pitched...
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Postby RugbyD » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:17 pm

its not news per se, but he's a) old, and b) far from overpowering. he's had a scary decline in K-rate the last few years. he'll be good enough this year, but his great days are long gone unless he finds a new pitch
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Postby rmeesig » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:40 pm

RugbyD wrote:its not news per se, but he's a) old, and b) far from overpowering. he's had a scary decline in K-rate the last few years. he'll be good enough this year, but his great days are long gone unless he finds a new pitch


a) 35 is old? while he IS getting older, he's only 2 years older than the league avg for relief pitchers.
b) he's never been a power pitcher. he relies on movement of that cutter
c) "scary" decline of K/9?

1997 (68K) - 8.54 K/9
1998 (36K) - 5.28 K/9
1999 (52K) - 6.78 K/9
2000 (58K) - 6.9 K/9
2001 (83K) - 9.26 K/9
2002 (41K) - 8.02 K/9
2003 (63K) - 8.02 K/9
2004 (66K) - 7.55 K/9
career avg - 8.01 K/9

He lost less than 1/2 a K off his career avg last year, and that is a "scary" decline? He struck out more batters last year than ANY of his years as a closer except 2001 and 1997 (by 2K).

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Postby acsguitar » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:47 pm

rmeesig wrote:
RugbyD wrote:its not news per se, but he's a) old, and b) far from overpowering. he's had a scary decline in K-rate the last few years. he'll be good enough this year, but his great days are long gone unless he finds a new pitch


a) 35 is old? while he IS getting older, he's only 2 years older than the league avg for relief pitchers.
b) he's never been a power pitcher. he relies on movement of that cutter
c) "scary" decline of K/9?

1997 (68K) - 8.54 K/9
1998 (36K) - 5.28 K/9
1999 (52K) - 6.78 K/9
2000 (58K) - 6.9 K/9
2001 (83K) - 9.26 K/9
2002 (41K) - 8.02 K/9
2003 (63K) - 8.02 K/9
2004 (66K) - 7.55 K/9
career avg - 8.01 K/9

He lost less than 1/2 a K off his career avg last year, and that is a "scary" decline? He struck out more batters last year than ANY of his years as a closer except 2001 and 1997 (by 2K).

Don't let the facts get in the way though....


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Postby RugbyD » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:32 pm

rmeesig wrote:
RugbyD wrote:its not news per se, but he's a) old, and b) far from overpowering. he's had a scary decline in K-rate the last few years. he'll be good enough this year, but his great days are long gone unless he finds a new pitch


a) 35 is old? while he IS getting older, he's only 2 years older than the league avg for relief pitchers.
b) he's never been a power pitcher. he relies on movement of that cutter
c) "scary" decline of K/9?

1997 (68K) - 8.54 K/9
1998 (36K) - 5.28 K/9
1999 (52K) - 6.78 K/9
2000 (58K) - 6.9 K/9
2001 (83K) - 9.26 K/9
2002 (41K) - 8.02 K/9
2003 (63K) - 8.02 K/9
2004 (66K) - 7.55 K/9
career avg - 8.01 K/9

He lost less than 1/2 a K off his career avg last year, and that is a "scary" decline? He struck out more batters last year than ANY of his years as a closer except 2001 and 1997 (by 2K).

Don't let the facts get in the way though....


it doesn't matter how many he struck out b/c that is mostly dependent on appearances, which he has no control over. K-rate is everything and losing almost 2 per 9 over the last 3 years and considering that 35 is well past peak for most and the fact that his K-rate is solely dependent on the effectiveness of his cutter, it tells you (or at least should) that the end of dominance is near. A declining cutter is bad news b/c a) the rate of contact will increase and b) the quality of contact will increase. It doesn't seem like much but when 1/2-inch is the difference between a fly ball and a home run, the margin of error is much less on a cutter than it is a curve or slider.

what the hell is pwn'd?
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Postby Turnip » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:47 pm

Pwnt basically means that your post was countered and proven completely wrong. He proved that K/9 rates are not declining. Rivera is a stud who is closing for the best team in baseball.
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Postby zhutou » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:55 pm

anyone who believes rivera is NOT on a decline is sadly mistaken.
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Postby Pedantic » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:55 pm

RugbyD wrote:what the hell is pwn'd?


In regular speak, "pwned", and all variations, means "owned".
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Postby thehat » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:03 am

I agree that Rivera is in a decline of sorts. He's no longer the best closer in the game. But he's still very capable of getting the job done and there aren't a whole lot of guys I rate ahead of him.
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