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Postby The Guru » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:12 am

3 for 3 now in save situations

1.86 ERA
1.03 WHIP

I smell a Brandon Lyon here.

Is he for real?
What where his numbers like in the minors?
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Postby thehat » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:24 am

His prior numbers are basically meaningless. Turnbow has always had the big league arm, but has suffered from woeful control. Constantly behind hitters, and few are the pitchers who can thrive doing that.

It's really pretty simple. If Turnbow has learned to harness his control, he could be very good. So far, very impressive. Whether or not this can be maintained is strictly a guess, although each success he has is a confidence builder.

By the way, he's got far more potential than Lyon, who is doing okay but has been phenomenally fortunate. His strand rate is off the charts, and evetually that's going to catch up with him and he'll get roasted. In other words, enjoy him while you can but be prepared for trouble at some point.
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Postby The Guru » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:39 pm

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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:15 pm

Didn't he and Termell Sledge test postive for steroids during Olympic Testing last year? I thought Turnbow was one of them.
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Postby Mustangs989 » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:16 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Didn't he and Termell Sledge test postive for steroids during Olympic Testing last year? I thought Turnbow was one of them.

Turnbow did test positive last year.
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Postby jpbusta » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:21 pm

All I gotta say is that I love cheap saves. :-D
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Postby warrick95 » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:25 pm

thehat wrote:His prior numbers are basically meaningless. Turnbow has always had the big league arm, but has suffered from woeful control. Constantly behind hitters, and few are the pitchers who can thrive doing that.

It's really pretty simple. If Turnbow has learned to harness his control, he could be very good. So far, very impressive. Whether or not this can be maintained is strictly a guess, although each success he has is a confidence builder.

By the way, he's got far more potential than Lyon, who is doing okay but has been phenomenally fortunate. His strand rate is off the charts, and evetually that's going to catch up with him and he'll get roasted. In other words, enjoy him while you can but be prepared for trouble at some point.


They're not totally meaningless, because you know that there has to be risk involved. It takes more than a month or so of solid work to prove that he has conquered his control issues. I'm obviously still warier of him than others, because there's more risk for an implosion here or there due to a relapse of his command problems.

That being said, as long as his control remains good, he will be a solid pitcher. I agree that he's better than Lyon, because his stuff is much better.
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Postby Secret Avatar » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:58 pm

He's got some nasty stuff (98 mph heater and wicked curve) but has been plagued by control problems. One potentially important development is that he apparently made a mechanical adjustment in his delivery, which could mean some additional control. With his stuff, he'll only need to stay near the strike zone and he'll post some nice numbers. Time will tell as always, but he's got 3 saves in 3 tries in a week. So far so good.
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Postby Tiki Barber's Barber » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:25 pm

is he in line for the win? brew crew have the bases loaded in the 9th.
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Postby AtlDynasty25 » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:26 pm

Yup, I believe so. Chalk up a win.
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