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Why I never draft closers...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:58 pm
by cnt
This year just once again points out why I never waste a high pick on closers. I did not draft a closer this year. And through 2 trades now have 2 top on the line closers, K-Rod and Wagner.

The first trade was straight up Dunn for K-Rod. Considering I am 2nd in HR and that is the only category he helps in, great deal for me. The 2nd one was Lyon and Wilkerson for Wagner. Lyon was a WW pick-up for me, and Wilkerson was a later round draft pick mostly sitting my bench. The 2nd trade was a definite Sell high scenerio, which was actually offered to me.

I have never really drafted a closer. In past years I have just rode the closer-carousel. Which I was not going to do this year, because it only hurts your ERA and WHIP in most cases. But this year I was able to avoid that, give up just one quality player and end up with 2 Top-Tier closers.

I love drafting and seeing people waste high picks on closers.

Just my $0.02
CJ

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:03 pm
by asumikey222
Well this year is a great one to pick for why waiting on closers is a good strategy with top closers sucking and/or getting hurt and total WW unknowns putting up nice numbers, but it isn't always this bad. There are, however, almost always a few solid guys to pick up on WW every year in the first few months. The problem is that you have to be like a hawk on the wire if you are in an even somewhat competitive league and you have to be somewhat lucky in picking the right guys when you have more than one potential closer to choose from, as well as of course hoping that the existing (drafted) closers go down, so it doesn't always work. I just try to get value; in ESPN I value closers less than most people so I have Lyon in 3/4 leagues as well as Batista. In Yahoo it seems like a value them higher, so I didn't get as many of the WW pick-ups; that strategy seems to work fine for me.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:06 pm
by The Punisher
I normally do this too and dont even pick closers normally until the eighth round, I mean why do it, in h2h they pretty much only help you in saves since they only do so much a week and in roto they barely help you because your starts pitch so much more than them for there ERA, WHIP, and K's to help you. I just got Hoffman(who unfortunatley is sucking this year) in the 9th and I have picked up Turnbow and Lyon off the WW so as you said it proves you dont need to waste high picks on closers.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:08 pm
by cnt
Yeah, I totally agree. In years past I always just watched the wires and read up on forums like this, jumping on the best ones to win jobs. This was really the first year I was able to trade for two top closers like this withough compromising the rest of my team. I am glad for it too. No more closer-watching for me for the season. Besies K-Rod and Wagner, I also have Borowski on the DL, so if he does get the job when he returns, I should easily win saves. I am in a 13 team, very competitive league, and the closers seem to be very spread out. One guy has 4 but F.Cordero is the only solid one, the rest will be lucky to last the whole season. Most teams don't have more than one top closer, so I feel very comfortable with the two I have, Borowski would just be icing on the cake

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:10 pm
by asumikey222
The Punisher wrote:I normally do this too and dont even pick closers normally until the eighth round, I mean why do it, in h2h they pretty much only help you in saves since they only do so much a week and in roto they barely help you because your starts pitch so much more than them for there ERA, WHIP, and K's to help you. I just got Hoffman(who unfortunatley is sucking this year) in the 9th and I have picked up Turnbow and Lyon off the WW so as you said it proves you dont need to waste high picks on closers.


The problem is this depends on

1. There being guys like Turnbow and Lyon stepping up (which usually does happen).
and
2. Those guys not being taken by someone else.

If you are in a pretty casual league it's a GREAT strategy, but if you are in a very competitive league and actually have a life outside of fantasy baseball, it's a little riskier, e.g. there's one league I'm in where you basically have to pick up closers/hot players as each game is going on, that's how crazy the people are. It's not that every person is watching every game, but it's almost guaranteed that one person is watching a relevant game and that that person will act; I was lucky to be a hawk on Turnbow but I'm very wary about relying on the WW in this league, so I think you really have to cater your strategy for a league.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:14 pm
by cnt
Punisher, Hoffman isn't really sucking. I actually was going to trade Wilkerson for him, before I was offered the Wagner for Wilkerson & Lyon. If you look at Hoffman's games, he has that horrible first game and since has been solid, well except for last night. I think Hoffman is not a bad closer to have, especially this year, where it seems like only about 5 or so closers are a guarantee early on. You just have to hope Lyon and Turnbow can last a good portion of the season for you. I like Turnbow's stuff if he can keep his control ok. Lyon is scary though. I had him for his 10 saves, but it seemed like every game he gave up at least 2 hits. Not good for your closer. But you never know, maybe he will just be one of those closers who makes you sweat, but still racks up the saves in the end.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:18 pm
by The Punisher
Ya I guess your right that he isnt sucking but his slow start is really starting to bug me, I mean only three saves and his ratios are pretty high. Im sure he should start to do better as the year progresses but Im getting kind of mad with him right now since I barely ever get saves(even though it doesnt exactly matter cuz I normally win my other pitching categories every week since my starters are like my whole team)

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:21 pm
by brandnew
Wait on Hoffman, he's one of the more reliable, consistent closers in the league. Trading for slumping closers right now is a good strategy. If you just want some cheap saves, go after Kolb. I bet you can get him CHEAP right now, and he's going to rack up 45-50 saves, and I think his other stats will be a lot better than this, 3.3; 1.20, not so bad, around Baez's stats with many more saves.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:31 pm
by The Punisher
If the rest of your starters include Peavy, Burnett, Harden, Buerhle, and Bonderman would you consider trading Thomson or Haren for Kolb

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:22 pm
by cnt
I would consider dealing Thomson or Haren for Kolb if you don't mind the lack of K's and shaky outings. If you are just looking for the saves, yes I would do that. Kolb, as much as he has strugled I think his job is relatively safe, and Thomson or Haren is not too much to give up, IMO.