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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:31 pm
by DK
Two words: Joe Sewell.

Two more words: Ted Kluzlewski.

Also, guys K much more now then they ever have before (or at least for a long time, anyway). You have to put it in context. Mattingly's raw numbers may look better, but if you put both hitters in the same context it may be less dramatic.

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:49 pm
by acsguitar
DK wrote:Two words: Joe Sewell.

Two more words: Ted Kluzlewski.

Also, guys K much more now then they ever have before (or at least for a long time, anyway). You have to put it in context. Mattingly's raw numbers may look better, but if you put both hitters in the same context it may be less dramatic.


Its still incredible...

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:57 pm
by Tavish
SouthBronxBombers wrote:Tell you what. If I have a man on second base, two outs, and somebody is pointing a gun at my head and saying the trigger is going to be pulled if the run does not get home, who do you want at the plate?

Dimaggio
Mattingly
Sosa
McGwire

You can take your stats and go with Sosa or McGwire since they have the higher OPS. I'll take my chances with Mattingly or Dimaggio and I guarantee your grave will be dug more often than mine.

Your argument is why stats are overrated. Dimaggio was a far superior player to either Sosa or McGwire, as was Mattingly before his back went out.


You are saying exactly the same thing as those who love OPS. Dimaggio is one of the best OPS players in the history of the game. Mattingly in his prime was the best OPS player in the league. If you want Mattingly at his peak over Sosa or McGwire at their peak I guess thats your perrogative. If you still want Mattingly if the runner was at first or there was nobody on (situations that are even more likely to come up), then you are fooling yourself.

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:11 pm
by Tavish
nuggets wrote:Ted Williams name hasn't been mentioned here?


He never even once cracked the top ten in the AL for AB/K in his career. As DK mentioned, you have to put much of it into context. A guy who struck out 1 in 20 AB when the league averages 1 in 10 looks very good. A guy like Juan Pierre who K's 1 in 20 AB when the league averages 1 in 5 looks even better.

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:17 pm
by Tavish
nuggets wrote:
Tavish wrote:
nuggets wrote:Ted Williams name hasn't been mentioned here?


He never even once cracked the top ten in the AL for AB/K in his career. As DK mentioned, you have to put much of it into context. A guy who struck out 1 in 20 AB when the league averages 1 in 10 looks very good. A guy like Juan Pierre who K's 1 in 20 AB when the league averages 1 in 5 looks even better.


Do you consider him to be the greatest hitter of all time?


I hate to break the man's one wish in life, but no. Certainly one of the greatest though.

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:33 pm
by Tavish
nuggets wrote:
Tavish wrote:
I hate to break the man's one wish in life, but no. Certainly one of the greatest though.


Well shoot, I thought that's what your answer would be. Doesn't that make things difficult now? So who is the man. I'll take Bonds on roids.


I would take Bonds if it didn't mean we would have to deal with 5 pages of uninteresting flames. So instead I'll just pass.

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:35 pm
by DannyMyron89
the "man" is Ruth...

it would have been bonds if he didnt take steroids and put up those numbers from 2001-2004.

Also ruth hit more homeruns then TEAMS, and has to be the greatest player of all time because he was a dominant hall of fame bound pitcher too.

also you guys are talking about guys who didnt strike out look at Cobb. i know he didnt see 97 mph heaters but he went FOUR YEARS in a row with 550 plus at bats without striking out, and NEVER grounded into a Double PLay.

my Ty Cobb stat of the day..

also Ruth has the career slugging percent title of all time, its way over 600, if you do that for one season you are a top player, his career average was way over that, and he didnt juice, and not too mention he has 7 rings with New York and Boston...

So if ur gonna say Ted Williams or Bonds is the greatest player ever lets see them dominate on the mound...