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utley or lopez, rest of the year

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:54 pm
by El Guapo
I thought I remember seeing a thread on this, but couldn't find it. Now that Utley is the full time starter, who do you guys like better for the rest of the year?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:56 pm
by zhutou
utley

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:57 pm
by FlawedReasoning
Definitely Utley. Wish I could get him. :-/

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:01 pm
by bronxxbomber
i'm going to repeat what everyone is saying. you have to go with utley especially since he'll have a fulltime gig.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:06 pm
by El Guapo
Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:08 pm
by acsguitar
El Guapo wrote:Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?


I think its a good argument..I'm going with Lopez

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:51 pm
by beltrans_boy
acsguitar wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?


I think its a good argument..I'm going with Lopez


It's a decent argument that his AVG, OPS, OBP and SLG might take a hit. I don't think his value goes down since, of course, you could just bench him when he faces lefties and you're back to sqaure one.

There aren't many LHP as it is, so the drop in those 4 categories shouldn't be too extreme. Who knows if he'll get better hitting LHP when he gets more ABs? The only way to learn is through trial and error. Don't expect exceptional numbers, but his LHP splits should improve a little given the added PT.

Fact is, Utley's HRs, RBI and Runs are what make him so valuable, and those can only go up now that he has a full-time gig. Is he going to hit .300 from now until the end of the season? No, but with those kind of power numbers, how many 2b can? The power stats put him in very elite company.

To answer your question, Utley is the better option from here on out. Utley was a border-line 2b stud before the trade, and now he's a top two bagger. Lopez is decent, but Utley is the man in Philly right now.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:56 pm
by El Guapo
beltrans_boy wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?


I think its a good argument..I'm going with Lopez


It's a decent argument that his AVG, OPS, OBP and SLG might take a hit. I don't think his value goes down since, of course, you could just bench him when he faces lefties and you're back to sqaure one.

There aren't many LHP as it is, so the drop in those 4 categories shouldn't be too extreme. Who knows if he'll get better hitting LHP when he gets more ABs? The only way to learn is through trial and error. Don't expect exceptional numbers, but his LHP splits should improve a little given the added PT.

Fact is, Utley's HRs, RBI and Runs are what make him so valuable, and those can only go up now that he has a full-time gig. Is he going to hit .300 from now until the end of the season? No, but with those kind of power numbers, how many 2b can? The power stats put him in very elite company.

To answer your question, Utley is the better option from here on out. Utley was a border-line 2b stud before the trade, and now he's a top two bagger. Lopez is decent, but Utley is the man in Philly right now.


That's why I pay you guys the big bucks, thanks for all the responses guys!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:00 pm
by ilsa
El Guapo wrote:Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?


Yes, he's only batting .125 against lefties this year, so that is a very legit concern.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:01 pm
by rmeesig
acsguitar wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Would there be any legitimacy to the argument that since Chase will now be facing lefties, his AVG and OPS may drop...making his numbers seem slightly less impressive?


I think its a good argument..I'm going with Lopez


agreed.