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Postby Ditka311 » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:17 am

The Roto Authority wrote:yeah i agree big-time on the podsednik opinion. that is, that he adds little value to the sox. a bit, but not a lot.

i have an argument with a friend that the sox would be better off with carlos lee right now...he doesnt care about VORP though so it's hard.


I was just going to post about this. Man, I loved C. Lee on the Sox and was pissed when he was traded. However, i disagree. I think Pods is an upgrade for what they are trying to do. The Sox did not have a real leadoff hitter and C. Lee in the field is well....Jose-Canseco-ish.

People here say that the reason that the Sox are doing better is only because of their pitching. That's partially true. What people don't realize is that their defense is much improved, which obviously reflects well on the pitchers.

As much of a Sox homer as I am, I don't believe Pods should be an All Star. He is very important to the Sox but not an All Star. "Hot Carl" Crawford is more deserving but even more deserving is Enbserg. Especially over Rolen.

I just hope Judy Garland doesn't pull a Loaiza and suck after this year....
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:01 am

Biggest snub in the NL was Houston. Ensberg and Oswalt should both be all-stars.
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Postby gofish » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:09 pm

Alex Gonzalez Everyone always says he's a star if he hits .280 because he's just a wizard in the field. Currently hitting .279!

(Homer pick but David Eckstein... cmon) ;-D
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Postby Ditka311 » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:13 pm

gofish wrote:Alex Gonzalez Everyone always says he's a star if he hits .280 because he's just a wizard in the field. Currently hitting .279!

(Homer pick but David Eckstein... cmon) ;-D


Umm, I think Mark Prior and the rest of the Cubs would beg to differ on that one.
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Postby gofish » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:21 pm

FYI I was talking about the Florida Marlins Alex Gonzalez... who hit the game winning Walk off homer in extra innings of the World Series against the Yanks; not the guy who got scapegoated by bartman. ;-7
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:42 pm

Ditka311 wrote:
I was just going to post about this. Man, I loved C. Lee on the Sox and was pissed when he was traded. However, i disagree. I think Pods is an upgrade for what they are trying to do. The Sox did not have a real leadoff hitter and C. Lee in the field is well....Jose-Canseco-ish.

People here say that the reason that the Sox are doing better is only because of their pitching. That's partially true. What people don't realize is that their defense is much improved, which obviously reflects well on the pitchers.


You are right that the Sox defense has improved...but that only accounts for about 1/4 of the total improvement on the defensive side. The rest is pitching.

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Postby Registered_Guest » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:19 am

I thought it was no doubt Pods deserved to be going. Matsui deserved to go over Garrett Anderson, but that's a different story in itself. Who cares if he's not hitting extra base hits when he's near automatic to steal 2B???

Anyone that says SB's are worthless needs their head examined. Guy on 1st, single to OF.....guy doesn't score. Guy on 2B, single to OF.....guy scores.

The Sox pitching is undoubtedly improved. Garland was lucky to even be in the rotation to start the year. So as the pitching has improved, so has the defense (and the range of).

The Ditka poster above hit the nail in the head (and seems to be a fellow Sox follower -- even if you're not -- you seem to be one of the few posters that understand how the Sox are winning). The Sox remind me of the good Yankee teams of the 90's (back when Bernie had some range). Great pitching, defense, pen, and at manufacturing runs. Great baseball to watch.

It's great that the fans got this vote right. And great to see Pods get the honor after battling his way through the minors.
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Postby blankman » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:42 am

Read the thread on the Final Fan Vote (Oswalt is the title) and you'll see why Pods was certainly not the correct statistical choice. For one thing, a HR is much more valuable than a SB, and comparing Jeter's 10 to Pods' 0 accounts for value of over half the 31 SB difference between the two players. Factor in Jeter's 20 more Runs, twice the RBI, an OBP of .395 to Pods' .359, SLG of .447 to Pods' .389, better average by 20 pts etc all from the same spot in the lineup and you have a better season by Derek Jeter than Pods. Simply no arguing that. Look at the other thread for a more in depth comparison before responding.

I know you hate the Yankees and are a White Sox fan, but look at the numbers. They are not close.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:49 am

Jeter versus Pods.

OPS

DJ 841
Pods 702

Runs Created

DJ 58.4
Pods 40.3

RC/27

DJ 6.60
Pods 5.18

VORP

DJ 36.5
Pods 9.3

DJ wins pretty easy. Pods is overrated because of sb. A outfielder with a .702 ops isn't All Star.
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Postby baseball6791 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:07 am

Pods is a one cat player, in fantasy and in real life. granted he is a spark plug at the top of an order and a pest on the basepaths, but an all-star? I don't think so....
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