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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:14 am
by Yoda
If Clemens posts the best ERA in the last 30-40 years then he will win no matter how many Ws Carpenter ends up with.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:07 pm
by Matthias
i don't know. pedro didn't win it in 2002 or 2003 with a 2.2 era in the american league and very dominant years. cy young voters like wins. if they don't have wins, then they look to see if there's a dominant closer. if there's no dominant closer, then they check everything else.

having said that, someone will probably dig up that over the last 30 years, the cy young winner has averaged 17.2 wins a season or some such, but that's my sense on it without refreshing myself with the past winners.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:32 pm
by Yoda
If the season ended today, 1.38 ERA would be the best since Bob Gibson posted a 1.12 ERA in 1968. Considering the era and current trend, that should weigh far more than winning 20 games IMO.

I'm sure a lot of stupid voters will reward the winningest pitcher but Clemens is definitely the best pitcher in the NL this year if he continues.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:10 pm
by The Loveable Losers
Just makes me smile every day he pitches another gem to think I traded Schmidt for him back in May (a week before Schmidt went on the DL) ;-D

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:25 pm
by Matthias
hey, i'm not saying that clements doesn't deserve to win... i'm just guessing on whether or not he would win. writers take into consideration all sorts of crap that i don't agree with (the fact that your team pretty much has to make the playoffs in order to win the mvp being an obvious example). as far as i'm concerned, if the season ended today, give it to the big ol' texan freak of nature.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:05 pm
by EnFuego
Yoda wrote:If the season ended today, 1.38 ERA would be the best since Bob Gibson posted a 1.12 ERA in 1968. Considering the era and current trend, that should weigh far more than winning 20 games IMO.

I'm sure a lot of stupid voters will reward the winningest pitcher but Clemens is definitely the best pitcher in the NL this year if he continues.


Agreed. 1.38ERA > 20W...IMO.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:09 pm
by Sultans of Squat
Do we start a new thread for 1.32 or what? :D

Can't believe he got jobbed again tonight -- I could use the win too. I thought maybe they'd keep him in there for the 9th since he was so economical w/ his pitches (and still managed 9 K's). Guess they did all their scoring last night against Duke instead. :-/

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:18 pm
by da1chipo
EnFuego wrote:
Yoda wrote:If the season ended today, 1.38 ERA would be the best since Bob Gibson posted a 1.12 ERA in 1968. Considering the era and current trend, that should weigh far more than winning 20 games IMO.

I'm sure a lot of stupid voters will reward the winningest pitcher but Clemens is definitely the best pitcher in the NL this year if he continues.


Agreed. 1.38ERA > 20W...IMO.


Forget the "...IMO."

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:18 pm
by Tavish
Bill James' Cy Young predictor is usually pretty accurate.... unfortunately.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:26 pm
by Sultans of Squat
Maybe Clemens just needs to reel off a record breaking end to the season and go for 60 consecutive scoreless innings. Hmmm... Would that also be enough to break Gibson's ERA record? :D Surely, the voters would have to yield if Clemens breaks Gibson's record -- not that's really gonna happen. :-B