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Postby rotterdam_82 » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:55 pm

Any idea when?
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:55 pm

rotterdam_82 wrote:Any idea when?
Early septemeber is what I've heard so far...He has been taking infield already which is a good sign
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Postby EnFuego » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:25 pm

I hope he get's back quick, so Helton can rack up the RBIs.
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Postby KaiserSoze » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:08 pm

Barmes isn't all that great. I don't even think he's worth a roster spot, to be honest. Just go look at his Road numbers. That huge of a discrepancy between home/road leads me to believe it was a fluke type of situation, and that he is average at best.
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Postby Big Pimpin » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 pm

KaiserSoze wrote:Barmes isn't all that great. I don't even think he's worth a roster spot, to be honest. Just go look at his Road numbers. That huge of a discrepancy between home/road leads me to believe it was a fluke type of situation, and that he is average at best.


You were just pimping Holliday in another thread, and then you bust on Barmes because of his home/road splits? Doesn't make sense, my man. Holliday's away numbers are crappy as well. Sure there's a big discrepancy between Barmes' splits, but just look at his home numbers (28 games, .390, 29 Rs, 7 HRs, 28 RBIs, 1.082 OPS 8-o ), they're pretty damn impressive.

If you have another decent MI who you're playing anyway, what's the harm in grabbing Barmes to play only when he's at Coors. You could do a lot worse at 2B or SS than a guy with that kind of production, even if it's in only half the games.
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Postby KaiserSoze » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:23 pm

I see what you're saying, but there is a huge difference here.


1. Barmes is coming off a major injury.

2. Holliday is VERY hot right now.

3. Holliday hits cleanup behind Helton.

4. Holliday was expected to be good before the season.
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Postby Big Pimpin » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:31 pm

KaiserSoze wrote:I see what you're saying, but there is a huge difference here.


1. Barmes is coming off a major injury.

2. Holliday is VERY hot right now.

3. Holliday hits cleanup behind Helton.

4. Holliday was expected to be good before the season.


Holliday, 78 games, middle of the order:
11 HRs, 40 Rs, 41 RBIs, .875 OPS

Barmes, 54 games at leadoff:
8 HRs, 40 Rs, 34 RBIs, .886 OPS

For a MI who hits at the top of the order, not too bad at all. Beats the heck out of the numbers from an OF who hits cleanup. I'm not bashing Holliday at all, because it's not that I think he's a bad pickup. I just don't see how you could view Barmes as not even being worthy of a roster spot. Sure there's a risk with the injury, but he's certainly worth a flyer, especially if your weak at 2B or SS.
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Postby KaiserSoze » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:55 pm

Barmes:

April .410 .467 .639 1.106
May .254 .285 .390 .674



I think May is the real Barmes. April was a huge fluke.


Holliday, on the other hand, has been consistant the entire time he has played.
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Postby Yoda » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:57 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:
KaiserSoze wrote:I see what you're saying, but there is a huge difference here.


1. Barmes is coming off a major injury.

2. Holliday is VERY hot right now.

3. Holliday hits cleanup behind Helton.

4. Holliday was expected to be good before the season.


Holliday, 78 games, middle of the order:
11 HRs, 40 Rs, 41 RBIs, .875 OPS

Barmes, 54 games at leadoff:
8 HRs, 40 Rs, 34 RBIs, .886 OPS

For a MI who hits at the top of the order, not too bad at all. Beats the heck out of the numbers from an OF who hits cleanup. I'm not bashing Holliday at all, because it's not that I think he's a bad pickup. I just don't see how you could view Barmes as not even being worthy of a roster spot. Sure there's a risk with the injury, but he's certainly worth a flyer, especially if your weak at 2B or SS.


I agree. Just the fact that he plays at Coors and against weak NL West pitching, he is worth at least a bench spot when he returns.
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Postby KaiserSoze » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:00 pm

When he hits .254 with OBP under .300, like he did the last full month he played before the injury, you'll change your mind.
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