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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:57 pm
by Tavish
Yoda wrote:But when determining 'real life' value, you'd have to consider salary. Either way, even if their salary was equal, I'd still rather have Haren at this point due to his age. Do you care about that as well?


When I look at real life value to the team I really don't care how much the players make. Considering the differences in salary, Matt Stairs was more valuable to the Royals than Manny was to the Red Sox. For me the salary only comes into play when I consider the players value to the GM and ownership. Having a good pitcher for $1 million is definitely better for the GM and owner than having a good pitcher for $5 million. But to the team it doesn't make a difference which one they have.

At this point I would love to have either pitcher but would rather have Haren because of his age over Mulder's experience and proven "consistency". But that doesn't matter much when talking about how valuable they were to their respective teams this season. Since that was what my original post dealt with I would say no, in this case I don't care about their age. It just is not a factor in how valuable they were in 2005.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:02 pm
by Yoda
Tavish wrote:
Yoda wrote:But when determining 'real life' value, you'd have to consider salary. Either way, even if their salary was equal, I'd still rather have Haren at this point due to his age. Do you care about that as well?


When I look at real life value to the team I really don't care how much the players make. Considering the differences in salary, Matt Stairs was more valuable to the Royals than Manny was to the Red Sox. For me the salary only comes into play when I consider the players value to the GM and ownership. Having a good pitcher for $1 million is definitely better for the GM and owner than having a good pitcher for $5 million. But to the team it doesn't make a difference which one they have.

At this point I would love to have either pitcher but would rather have Haren because of his age over Mulder's experience and proven "consistency". But that doesn't matter much when talking about how valuable they were to their respective teams this season. Since that was what my original post dealt with I would say no, in this case I don't care about their age. It just is not a factor in how valuable they were in 2005.


Nicely done. On the field only, they were very close in value in 'real life'. I agree. ;-D

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:07 pm
by Tavish
StlSluggers wrote:That's why the Cards have Mulder - veteran grit.


Plus the fact that when he is on, people don't hit the ball further than 5 feet in the air. When you get the Mulder that is out there today you are getting a top notch Cy Young calibre pitcher. Plus he has veteran grit. :-D

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:10 pm
by StlSluggers
Tavish wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:That's why the Cards have Mulder - veteran grit.


Plus the fact that when he is on, people don't hit the ball further than 5 feet in the air. When you get the Mulder that is out there today you are getting a top notch Cy Young calibre pitcher. Plus he has veteran grit. :-D

Sure, but looking at this season and the 2nd half of last season, I think the "Cy Young" Mulder is about 50/50 to show up on any given day.

I'll take the grit.

:-)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:13 pm
by Yoda
StlSluggers wrote:
Tavish wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:That's why the Cards have Mulder - veteran grit.


Plus the fact that when he is on, people don't hit the ball further than 5 feet in the air. When you get the Mulder that is out there today you are getting a top notch Cy Young calibre pitcher. Plus he has veteran grit. :-D

Sure, but looking at this season and the 2nd half of last season, I think the "Cy Young" Mulder is about 50/50 to show up on any given day.

I'll take the grit.

:-)


Not sure how good you need to pitch against the SD lineup. They are awful. :-D

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:30 pm
by stevethumb
last winter i wept when dharen was traded from the NL to the AL .. i owned him for $5 in a 13 tean NL only league....mmulder went for $31 at auction.....i wasn't as outspoken as rynman but felt haren would be the better pitcher and value in 05