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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:32 pm
by dyuen87
:-?

1. contreras
2. buerhle
3. garland
4. garcia
5. vazquez

where does mccarthy go? pen?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:37 pm
by stumpak
Luis Vizcaino.

With him and Marte gone, I guess they are now counting on McCarthy in the pen.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:16 pm
by raiders_umpire
stevethumb wrote:could be a steal for the d'backs IF cyoung continues the progress that he showed this summer....the southern league saw 4 outstanding OFers (jfrancouer,delmon young, jhermida,cyoung) and young out performed all of them...better deal than most of the marlins everything must go sale




I assume you were talking about Delmon Young there :-? :-? , no way you were talking about Chris Young?????



southern league stats for 2005

Chris Young-- 466 abs, 100 runs scored, 26 homers, 77 rbis, 32 sbs, and 277 avg
Jeremy Hermida--386 abs, 77 runs scored, 18 homers, 63 rbis, 23 sbs, and 293 avg
Delmon Young-- 330 abs, 59 runs scored, 20 homers, 71 rbis, 25 sbs, and 336 avg
Jeff Franceour-- 335 abs, 40 runs scored, 13 homers, 62 rbis, 13 sbs, and 275 avg



I think it can be easily inferred that IF Delmon had gotten the abs in AA that Chris Young received, then Delmon would have easily beat Chris in avg, homers, and rbis.. they probably would have been tied in steals, and Chris would have scored more runs.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:34 pm
by TheYanks04
Hmmm. It would seem people still think this guy is good. He blew in NY. He pretty much blew in Ariz with no DH and a division the equivalent of AAA. Welcome back to the AL Javy. Everyone adjust your AL hitter projections up accordingly. In that ballpark too....LMAO.


WSox seem to be looking to run reclamation projects on lost or old, former Yankees. First Contreras, then El Duque, now they actually trade for Vazquez. Who is next?...Kevin Brown or Jeff Weaver?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:39 pm
by slomo007
TheYanks04 wrote:Hmmm. It would seem people still think this guy is good. He blew in NY. He pretty much blew in Ariz with no DH and a division the equivalent of AAA. Welcome back to the AL Javy. Everyone adjust your AL hitter projections up accordingly. In that ballpark too....LMAO.


WSox seem to be looking to run reclamation projects on lost or old, former Yankees. First Contreras, then El Duque, now they actually trade for Vazquez. Who is next?...Kevin Brown or Jeff Weaver?


Both have been successes so far, so why should they stop?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:48 pm
by stumpak
If I can get Vasquez for cheap I will take him. Sure he is up and down and has medicore ratios, but the Ks are great. If all you have to pay for him is a #4 starter price, that is good value.

The move to the AL will not be tremendously helpful with the DH, but he is moving from one hitter's park to another and going into a division that has, in aggragate, crappy offenses. I think a repeat of last year's numbers, with a few less Ks, is likely.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:32 pm
by TheYanks04
Vazquez was somewhere around a 2-5 dollar pitcher depending on the league format last season. Ranked at about 71 overall among all pitchers. That is hardly worth squat.

-He posted a 4.4 ERA in the NL...that will climb.
-His WHIP was about 1.25...which will also climb.
-He played in the NL West...the division where .500 is an accomplishment. No Bonds, No Drew to boot for the bulk of the season. The Giants, Dodgers and Padres combined would have a hard time fielding an offense that would be considered very good.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:10 pm
by Philly Pride
True, his ERA and stuff will climb...but the K's won't. Unfortunately, he's the most inconsistent pitcher on the planet...will be get along with Ozzie Guillen either?

Still, he could be this year's Garland from the Sox.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:23 pm
by Registered_Guest
TheYanks04 wrote:Hmmm. It would seem people still think this guy is good. He blew in NY. He pretty much blew in Ariz with no DH and a division the equivalent of AAA. Welcome back to the AL Javy. Everyone adjust your AL hitter projections up accordingly. In that ballpark too....LMAO.


WSox seem to be looking to run reclamation projects on lost or old, former Yankees. First Contreras, then El Duque, now they actually trade for Vazquez. Who is next?...Kevin Brown or Jeff Weaver?


Why not? Those two sure helped them to a world championship.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:29 pm
by Red Stripe
Ummmm good deal for the Sox? He blew in NY, he blew in Arizona, and he's going to blow in Chicago too. Last year people were saying he'll get his act together again since he's pitching in hte NL, I really hope I don't hear anybody saying something like again just this time with the AL.