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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:45 am

I share a fear of an Abreu dropoff that some of you have.

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Re: no drafts

Postby BronXBombers51 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:40 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:no drafts so far this season, i know last season he slipped some in my league but i know no1 in my league will take bay in the 15 picks or so. im familiar with 10 team leagues so maybe if you are used to the 12 team format then maybe 3rd round seems far fetched. in my league bay will go between 18th-24th picks im guessing. OF's are less of a demand and i think it would be silly to get abreu or bay with a first round pick.


Then how would you rank the top 12 or so picks? Bay and Abreu can be just as good as anybody going late 1st round.
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Re: no drafts

Postby The_Met_Threat » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:30 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:no drafts so far this season, i know last season he slipped some in my league but i know no1 in my league will take bay in the 15 picks or so. im familiar with 10 team leagues so maybe if you are used to the 12 team format then maybe 3rd round seems far fetched. in my league bay will go between 18th-24th picks im guessing. OF's are less of a demand and i think it would be silly to get abreu or bay with a first round pick.


In almost everyones little top 12 picks, bay is in 8-12 and if not i bet hes in the early second round.
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Postby DK » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:02 am

Bay and Abreu are better real-life players than they are fantasy players. M-Cab is a better fantasy player than a real-life player, although that is not a shot as his true talent. He's a fantastic baseball player, but his fantasy value eclipses his true value because of his lack of discipline at the plate.

I'd probably rank Abreu first, with Cabrera and Bay tied closely behind.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:05 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:I share a fear of an Abreu dropoff that some of you have.

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yeah...me too...

remember 2004...i don't think abreu was anywhere near the first round. 2002 and 2003 were seen as a bit of a disappointment for abreu owners who were counting on a 30/100/300/30 season or better. he went on to have an awesome year in 04 and i bet most of his owners were not happy with 24HR and the .286AVG in 05. he posted an .879 OPS which is almost identical to his 03 season (.877), a huge drop off from 04 (.971). his numbers were declining until 04 with the new ballpark and i think they will continue to go down. with that being said, he's still a great option on roto leagues. :-°
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Postby DK » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:38 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
DK wrote:Bay and Abreu are better real-life players than they are fantasy players. M-Cab is a better fantasy player than a real-life player, although that is not a shot as his true talent. He's a fantastic baseball player, but his fantasy value eclipses his true value because of his lack of discipline at the plate.

I'd probably rank Abreu first, with Cabrera and Bay tied closely behind.




NO NO NO NO NO NO....abreu stinks in real life....bottom line....he doesnt hustle, he doesnt steal bases when the game matters and hes one of the worst fielders ive ever seen in my life. the fact he won a gold glove makes the award absolutely worthless for the rest of its existance. His numbers are a farce. i would trade him for any other big name star in the majors. manny, tejada, prior all rumored for abreu, id do it in a heartbeat.


Haha. Let me give you some real-life numbers.

Career OBP, 2005 OBP:
Abreu: .411, .403
Tejada: .338, .349
Manny: .409, .388

Career SLG, 2005 SLG:
Abreu: .512, .474
Tejada: .477, .515
Manny: .599, .594

2005 RC:
Abreu 117, 7.5/G
Tejada 110, 6.5/G
Manny 134, 9.2/G

Nobody denies that Manny is a better hitter than Abreu. But to say he stinks in real life is crazy. He's a better player than Tejada, easy. His fielding isn't great, I agree, but Manny's is even worse. They make up for it for being able to hit the lights out.

I'll trade you Cliff Floyd for Abreu. After all, you don't need Abreu. He stinks in real life, and his numbers are a farce. Only problem would be getting Floyd to undo his NT clause...
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Postby WhatElse » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:04 pm

everyone who is all on Abreu this year needs ot check out his postall star break numbers from last year. Cabrera has the most upside but is in a line-up with AAA-talent Protection. I think Bay is the safe pick. I planned on Keeping Cabrera in my own league, but after the firesale I opted for Michael Young instead.
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Postby Hbj79 » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:19 pm

It's stupid to look at the split stats for someone like Abreu who has been dominant for the last 4-6 years. So he had a mediocre half season..... I'll still bet the farm that he goes 30-30.
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