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Postby djacks » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:48 am

Interesting point made by Colin Cowheard on ESPN Radio this morning...

He pointed out that the HOF should be based on influence and impact on the game and not just on longevity and stats. He pointed out the Buddy Holly is in the Rock and Roll HOF even though he only recorded songs for a couple of years because of his impact and influence on music. Also, John Belushi is in a HOF even though his career was cut short.

His opinion (and mine) is that baseball is missing the boat on their HOF elections because they seem to base their criteria solely on career stats which gives the edge to players with long careers even though they may not have had the impact on the game that some others did.

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Postby wrveres » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:00 pm

I have no idea what the standards are anymore ... I do know that after yesterdays vote, Trevor Hoffmans bid became a shoe in..
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Postby thomasps3 » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:10 pm

This will become a really long thread b/c the HOF voting process in the majors is so exclusive. If anyone belongs in the hall in this year's vote, it was Jim RIce. Not only did he accomplish elite stats during his prime(1975-1984), but he ws a staple at the plate for the Red Sox even when his skills began to diminish. He was by far the best player on his team during this period, and some will argue he was among the best in the majors. During today's steroid inflated numbers, he would have been a 50+ homer guy who would have hit .330 every single year. It is such an outrage he has not been elected simply because of his relationship with the media during his career in Boston.

Down with the writers who consistently deny him entry!

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Postby Pochucker » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:26 pm

Jim Rice was/is a HOFer. As I heard reporter say yesterday "A true HOFer is someone you dont have to look at their stats" This was the case with Jim Rice -- he was simply the most feared and dominating hitter in the AL in his era. God only knows what his stats would be today!
Bruce Sutter was deserving same criteria as Rice , he dominated. He revolutionized relief pitching. If you were there you know your heart dropped when he came in game -- he dominated -- like Mariano does today.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:36 pm

Bill James' book on this is pretty interesting, how there are all sorts of obvious errors-- both people in who shouldn't be and people who aren't in who should be-- based on fishy standards.

They should just recognize that it's fishy and include people who made an impact on the game, Dock Ellis for his dosed no-no, Bert Campeneris for 'I'd have thrown sidearm comment', etc. It's nice to have a hallowed hall but, since the hall ain't exactly as hallowed, they ought to just have it be what it is.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:01 pm

Pochucker wrote:he was simply the most feared and dominating hitter in the AL in his era.


thomasps3 wrote:Not only did he accomplish elite stats during his prime... He was by far the best player on his team during this period, and some will argue he was among the best in the majors.


Sounds a lot like Albert Belle to me.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:35 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Pochucker wrote:he was simply the most feared and dominating hitter in the AL in his era.


thomasps3 wrote:Not only did he accomplish elite stats during his prime... He was by far the best player on his team during this period, and some will argue he was among the best in the majors.


Sounds a lot like Albert Belle to me.


That's a good point.
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Postby Tavish » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:42 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Pochucker wrote:he was simply the most feared and dominating hitter in the AL in his era.


thomasps3 wrote:Not only did he accomplish elite stats during his prime... He was by far the best player on his team during this period, and some will argue he was among the best in the majors.


Sounds a lot like Albert Belle to me.


The only problem is that Jim Rice is alot more like Chili Davis than he is like Albert Belle.

Where is the big bandwagon for Dwight Evans to get into the Hall? He was just as good as Rice was offensively and was much better defensively. He never even got close, but because there has been a constant campaign for Rice he has continued to stay on the ballot.
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Postby bigken117 » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:44 pm

Tavish wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
Pochucker wrote:he was simply the most feared and dominating hitter in the AL in his era.


thomasps3 wrote:Not only did he accomplish elite stats during his prime... He was by far the best player on his team during this period, and some will argue he was among the best in the majors.


Sounds a lot like Albert Belle to me.


The only problem is that Jim Rice is alot more like Chili Davis than he is like Albert Belle.

Where is the big bandwagon for Dwight Evans to get into the Hall? He was just as good as Rice was offensively and was much better defensively. He never even got close, but because there has been a constant campaign for Rice he has continued to stay on the ballot.

Dewey lead the AL (and possibly the majors) in extra base hits during the 1980's. And the only way Jim Rice is close to Chili Davis is they both have a popular food in their name.
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Postby thedude » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:49 pm

Rice is a boderline hall of famer, just like Frank Thomas and Jaun Gonzalez will be. And getting angry at the BWAA for not electing him is just a waste of time and pointless, because he will eventually be elected. If the writers don't elect him, than the veterans likely will.
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