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Postby Cobra_Kai » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:43 am

Good God I hate the autodraft....

Anyway, my league decided this year to hold an autopick draft instead of a live online draft...apparently people couldn't sacrifce 3 hours of their lives. Whatever.

Anyway, I'm pissed, because I've always enjoyed being able to tailor my teams to specific needs depending on how the draft is going. I very rarely leave a live draft feeling like I didn't get the team I wanted, in other words.

So does anybody have any advice for how to pull off a successful autodraft? The biggest problem is that I won't know my draft spot until 30 minutes before, making it tough to autorank my players.

Any advice? Or am I just leaving it totally up to luck here?
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Postby AcidRock23 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:48 am

What I do is bump up the players I want and remove the players I don't want. This can incl some decent guys w/ injury ?s, etc. I just don't want to end up having a guy like Rolen, who may VERY WELL have a good season, end up being my #1 3B so I'll toss him out. I think that if you have a guy bumped up and it gets to your turn and he's there, you have a very good chance of being able to name your guys. THis has worked decently in both baseball and football for me. Good luck!!
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Postby chadlincoln » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:41 am

I put a lot of hitters up high. Then I group all pitchers together, like 10-12 in a row. Then more hitters. Then mostly all pitching. Then sleepers of both afterwards mixed. I always want solid, consistent hitting first, then pitching. Not the only way to do it, but that's what I do.
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Postby teddyballgamemvp » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:43 am

You shouldn't be scared of autopick, if you pre-rank correctly. I was in a 12-team 5x5 autopick on 3/19 (not a public league-- just a deal like you where folks were too "busy" or whatever). My team is sick, in comparison to the rest of the league. Turned out almost exactly how I wanted. I got too many positional players and too few arms, but I was able to address that afterward.

M. Barrett (ChC - C)
R. Howard (Phi - 1B)
R. Canó (NYY - 2B)
D. Wright (NYM - 3B)
J. Reyes (NYM - SS)
S. Podsednik (CWS - OF)
C. Crisp (Bos - OF)
J. Gomes (TB - OF)
E. Encarnación (Cin - 3B)
A. Béltre (Sea - 3B)
C. Jackson (Ari - 1B)
C. Duffy (Pit - OF)
R. Furcal (LAD - SS)
H. Ramírez (Fla - SS)
J. Reed (Sea - OF)

C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
B. Ryan (Tor - RP)
T. Gordon (Phi - RP)
K. Escobar (LAA - SP,RP)
B. Wickman (Cle - RP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)

I had to drop Reed, Ramirez, and Duffy for:
C. Granderson (Det - OF)
A. Burgos (KC - RP)
R. Madson (Phi - RP)

And I traded Wickman and Furcal for Harden and Doug Davis, and Cain for Chris Young.

Here's my pre-draft list. I basicly ranked them by my projections, except I left guys like Granderson lower than they should be, but way higher than they are ranked by Yahoo. I generally moved guys I wanted up by 10-30 spots above Yahoo's default ranking. I'd move Bush up and Granderson, too, if I were to run this autodraft again. Probably Chacon, too. Both Bush and Jason Vargas are still FAs in my league. Chacon was picked up as a FA by someone else.

1. A. Pujols
2. Á. Rodríguez
3. C. Crawford
4. D. Wright
5. V. Guerrero
6. M. Teixeira
7. M. Ramírez
8. D. Ortiz
9. D. Lee
10. J. Reyes
11. G. Sheffield
12. I. Suzuki
13. M. Young
14. Mi. Cabrera
15. B. Abreu
16. J. Bay
17. M. Tejada
18. C. Carpenter
19. J. Peavy
20. A. Soriano
21. R. Oswalt
22. A. Jones
23. C. Figgins
24. C. Utley
25. R. Halladay
26. R. Howard
27. J. Rollins
28. R. Furcal
29. J. Kent
30. A. Ramírez
31. J. Pierre
32. C. Beltrán
33. C. Delgado
34. A. Dunn
35. G. Sizemore
36. D. Jeter
37. T. Hafner
38. L. Berkman
39. T. Helton
40. S. Podsednik
41. C. Lee
42. R. Sexson
43. P. Konerko
44. R. Johnson
45. C. Zambrano
46. R. Harden
47. D. Willis
48. B. Ryan
49. M. Ensberg
50. M. Rivera
51. H. Blalock
52. J. Damon
53. B. Lidge
54. Fr. Rodríguez
55. M. Giles
56. J. Cantú
57. J. Nathan
58. C. Crisp
59. F. Hernández
60. B. Wagner
61. H. Matsui
62. A. Pettitte
63. C. Jones
64. B. Colón
65. C. Schilling
66. E. Chávez
67. M. Buehrle
68. V. Wells
69. E. Encarnación
70. H. Street
71. T. Glaus
72. J. Peralta
73. B. Myers
74. J. Smoltz
75. P. Burrell
76. B. Webb
77. R. Canó
78. B. Zito
79. J. Patterson
80. J. Schmidt
81. C. Cordero
82. C. Lee
83. A. Burnett
84. F. López
85. E. Guardado
86. A. Huff
87. K. Griffey Jr.
88. R. Weeks
89. C. Floyd
90. M. Holliday
91. T. Hoffman
92. T. Iguchi
93. J. Gomes
94. J. Edmonds
95. J. Beckett
96. E. Gagne
97. A. Béltre
98. F. García
99. N. Lowry
100. C. Jackson
101. C. Tracy
102. M. Mora
103. C. Sabathia
104. J. Giambi
105. J. Lugo
106. H. Ramírez
107. C. Barmes
108. B. Giles
109. R. Winn
110. J. Thome
111. S. Rolen
112. J. Garland
113. B. Roberts
114. D. Davis
115. J. Lackey
116. J. Contreras
117. D. Haren
118. M. Bradley
119. T. Hunter
120. J. Isringhausen
121. D. Lowe
122. M. Mulder
123. T. Hudson
124. F. Cordero
125. J. Francoeur
126. D. Turnbow
127. K. Mench
128. K. Millwood
129. J. Lieber
130. L. Hernández
131. B. Fuentes
132. W. Taveras
133. C. Duffy
134. T. Jones
135. A. Rowand
136. J. Morneau
137. J. Lane
138. G. Atkins
139. M. Ordóñez
140. G. Jenkins
141. G. Anderson
142. É. Rentería
143. J. Drew
144. P. Polanco
145. T. Gordon
146. M. Cain
147. Z. Duke
148. A. Benítez
149. P. Fielder
150. K. Foulke
151. M. Ellis
152. S. Hillenbrand
153. J. Valverde
154. B. Wickman
155. R. Dempster
156. C. Ray
157. B. Wilkerson
158. M. Barrett
159. K. Escobar
160. C. Capuano
161. N. Garciaparra
162. R. Ibañez
163. L. Overbay
164. J. Reed
165. C. Granderson
166. D. DeJesús
167. J. Hermida
168. W. Peña
169. J. Bonderman
170. C. Patterson
171. X. Nady
172. J. Westbrook
173. Lu. González
174. C. Hart
175. B. Hawpe
176. S. Green
177. J. Gathright
178. J. Vázquez
179. A. Harang
180. J. Blanton
181. B. Clark
182. M. Loretta
183. J. Borowski
184. N. Swisher
185. M. González
186. R. Langerhans
187. P. Wilson
188. J. Weaver
189. S. Kazmir
190. M. Mussina
191. C. Shelton
192. S. Casey
193. B. Crosby
194. R. Belliard
195. M. Clement
196. Lu. González
197. C. Young
198. M. Alou
199. L. Castillo
200. J. Dye
201. J. Jones
202. F. Liriano
203. J. Guillén
204. Mi. Sweeney
205. Y. Betancourt
206. R. Baldelli
207. M. MacDougal
208. C. Orvella
209. B. McCarthy
210. J. Vargas
211. E. Santana
212. C. Guillén
213. Á. Ríos
214. B. Radke
215. A. Kearns
216. B. Hall
217. K. Lofton
218. N. Johnson
219. C. Counsell
220. T. Wakefield
221. D. Eckstein
222. K. Rogers
223. G. Maddux
224. E. Loaiza
225. D. Dellucci
226. D. Johnson
227. R. Sanders
228. J. Vidro
229. R. Madson
230. P. Feliz
231. P. Byrd
232. C. Monroe
233. D. Young
234. J. Towers
235. C. Biggio
236. D. Báez
237. D. Hermanson
238. S. Shields
239. J. Burnitz
240. J. Suppan
241. J. Duchscherer
242. S. Linebrink
243. R. López
244. M. Morris
245. B. Chen
246. K. Farnsworth
247. T. Glavine
248. B. Howry
249. J. Rincón
250. J. Marquis
251. B. Arroyo
252. M. Timlin
253. C. Lidle
254. C. Politte
255. D. Bush
256. M. Kotsay
257. M. Batista
258. M. Maroth
259. J. Sosa
260. K. Benson
261. B. Penny
262. C. Silva
263. T. Clark
264. D. Cabrera
265. E. Brown
266. J. Encarnación
267. O. Hudson
268. J. Moyer
269. J. Washburn
270. A. Eaton
271. C. Blake
272. B. Looper
273. G. Chacín
274. D. Wheeler
275. M. Lawton
276. S. Chacón
277. S. Torres
278. B. Inge
279. R. Betancourt
280. J. Seo
281. D. Weathers
282. J. Speier
283. D. Erstad
284. H. Carrasco
285. R. Durham
286. J. Gibbons
287. A. Heilman
288. B. Tomko
289. Ro. Hernández
290. E. Hinske
291. N. Robertson
292. A. Fultz
293. J. Crain
294. T. Ohka
295. D. Riske
296. N. Cotts
297. B. Donnelly
298. K. Calero
299. S. Elarton
300. W. Williams
301. M. Wise
302. B. Lawrence
303. O. Cabrera
304. L. Ford
305. E. Bedard
306. J. Randa
307. Od. Pérez
308. T. Walker
309. J. Uribe
310. S. Eyre
311. O. Vizquel
312. V. Castilla
313. A. Rhodes
314. V. Zambrano
315. B. Mueller
316. J. Mesa
317. D. Roberts
318. Ja. Johnson
319. C. Reitsma
320. G. Rusch
321. R. White
322. H. Ramírez
323. B. Broussard
324. B. Claussen
325. Á. Berroa
326. D. Williams
327. C. Everett
328. K. Lohse
329. D. Sánchez
330. T. Lilly
331. J. Mateo
332. V. Padilla
333. O. Hernández
334. M. Cameron
335. S. Stewart
336. J. Frasor
337. G. Matthews Jr.
338. C. Fossum
339. R. Mackowiak
340. B. Backe
341. C. Hammond
342. A. LaRoche
343. M. Grudzielanek
344. A. Everett
345. J. Benoit
346. C. Hensley
347. J. Crede
348. J. Williams
349. C. Qualls
350. R. Aurilia
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Postby swyck » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:29 pm

I've had some fun with auto-rank strategies in basketball and football, but I've only done live drafts in baseball. Still, some of the concepts I've used should work.

You still have to have overall rankings of your players, grouped by tiers within positions.

Then group the top players by number of teams, say 12 for a 12 team league. Rank the first set of 12 players by your overall rankings. These should be the top players, anyone of which you would be thrilled to have on your team. Dont add anyone here that you dont want just because you see them in some other rank list. For baseball I'd probably do 3 or 4 rounds worth this way, 36 or 48 players. The exact number of rounds depends on your preference, but I think after the top 36, the rankings arent as set as the top players.

Then I start to group by positions, including SPs and closers as just another position. Add sets of players by positions depending or where you think the positions are more important. Rank players based on the tiers within their positions, e.g. 3 SS, then 3 3b, then 3 or 4 SP, then 2 2B, etc., alternating position groups, so that only the top remaining players, based on your ratings, are exposed to the auto-draft at any one time. That is the key to a good auto-draft -- controlling who is exposed to the draft and eligible to be picked for your team.

You can set the first C group to happen pretty far down the list, if that is where you want them, but you could drop VMart higher by himself.

What you want to happen is to fill up a couple positions with top players during the first few rounds, and hopefully fill your util slot with another of the top players. Its likely that at least one, maybe two of those top players will drop to you in the 4th and 5th. Thats good, and thats exactly what you want to happen. That is why you are ranking those players that high. You dont want to wind up with an SS, and then a mid level SS in your Util slot, and then 3 more SS in your bench slots. That is why you spread them out. Sure you can trade them later, but this way the need is less likely.

Remember that pitchers have more slots, usually both SP, RP, and P, so if you have pitchers ranked in large groups, they could all get taken in consecutive rounds. You want to keep the groups small, and based on relative rankings. The best would be to alternate positions with each pick, but I find that harder to manage with the clutzy Yahoo ranking system. That is why I like to group by 3 or 4.

Towards the later rounds, say > 15, you should have most of your positions filled. Go back to ranking players according to overall rank, and ignore positions for the most part. I would still attempt to alternalte positions, just to break them up. I would leave most C's here, and towards the end. You dont want to wind up with more then one C on your team.

I've been able to win some of my auto-draft leagues, and it was actually fun to do.
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Postby teddyballgamemvp » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:35 pm

swyck wrote: Rank players based on the tiers within their positions, e.g. 3 SS, then 3 3b, then 3 or 4 SP, then 2 2B, etc., alternating position groups, so that only the top remaining players, based on your ratings, are exposed to the auto-draft at any one time. That is the key to a good auto-draft -- controlling who is exposed to the draft and eligible to be picked for your team.

You can set the first C group to happen pretty far down the list, if that is where you want them, but you could drop VMart higher by himself.



Very good advice. Good job.
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Postby rainman23 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:45 pm

Man, what a sucky league. I could live with the autodraft, I guess. But not knowing your draft position until the last minute? That's ridiculous. I'd bail. I've done autodrafts where I managed to snag pretty much the team I wanted. But knowing my draft position was a huge part of that success. It looks like they're trying to take a lot of the expertise out of the game. Level the playing field for guys who don't know how to prepare. I'd bail.
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Postby teddyballgamemvp » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:49 pm

rainman23 wrote:Man, what a sucky league. I could live with the autodraft, I guess. But not knowing your draft position until the last minute? That's ridiculous. I'd bail. I've done autodrafts where I managed to snag pretty much the team I wanted. But knowing my draft position was a huge part of that success. It looks like they're trying to take a lot of the expertise out of the game. Level the playing field for guys who don't know how to prepare. I'd bail.


Actually, if you know how to work autopick, you can dominate the draft. Guys can watch your strategy during a live draft-- get ideas on who to pick and modify when they plan to take guys and such. Not in autopick. Use the strategies above and you will have a ridiculously good team and the rest of the league will have several guys that should be cut immediately.
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Postby Matthias » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:14 pm

AcidRock23 wrote:What I do is bump up the players I want and remove the players I don't want. This can incl some decent guys w/ injury ?s, etc. I just don't want to end up having a guy like Rolen, who may VERY WELL have a good season, end up being my #1 3B so I'll toss him out. I think that if you have a guy bumped up and it gets to your turn and he's there, you have a very good chance of being able to name your guys. THis has worked decently in both baseball and football for me. Good luck!!


ditto. for a 10-team std yahoo draft recently i preranked 100 players and didn't even reach the end of my list. the key is not to think of exactly what is the order of players value-wise, but rather what are the players that you actually want.

as acidrock said, rolen may end up having a great year, but if you don't want to take that risk and you particularly don't want to take that risk not knowing who the circumstances under which you're drafting him, then just leave him off the list. he'll end up somewhere. it's bad enough to have a problem child. it's even worse if he ends up overstacking you at a position. if you don't like him, leave him off.

and....

rainman23 wrote:Man, what a sucky league. I could live with the autodraft, I guess. But not knowing your draft position until the last minute? That's ridiculous. I'd bail. I've done autodrafts where I managed to snag pretty much the team I wanted. But knowing my draft position was a huge part of that success. It looks like they're trying to take a lot of the expertise out of the game. Level the playing field for guys who don't know how to prepare. I'd bail.


come on. can we have at least ONE of these threads without the obligatory, "what a weak league" crappy comment? i mean, really. what exactly is getting proven here? and what are you helping?
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Postby xeifrank » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:30 pm

No advice that wasn't already mentioned, but I think it's dumb that your league went with an auto-draft. I mean why not have a "live" draft and if you can't make the draft your team gets auto-drafted anyways. Good luck. vr, Xei
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