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Postby benjapage » Wed May 10, 2006 3:24 pm

i traded delgado to get bay, and i'm totally confident that the latter will outpeform the former.

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Postby Geek » Wed May 10, 2006 3:30 pm

benjapage wrote:i traded delgado to get bay, and i'm totally confident that the latter will outpeform the former.

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Postby benjapage » Wed May 10, 2006 3:32 pm

Geek wrote:
benjapage wrote:i traded delgado to get bay, and i'm totally confident that the latter will outpeform the former.

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you say that now, sister. you say that now. B-)

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Postby jh2031 » Wed May 10, 2006 3:56 pm

benjapage wrote:
Geek wrote:
benjapage wrote:i traded delgado to get bay, and i'm totally confident that the latter will outpeform the former.

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you say that now, sister. you say that now. B-)

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Since doing research and realizing Bay is a slow starter...I'm not worried. Like someone said, he had 16 steals AFTER the all-star break...pretty impressive. And the HR's and RBI's will come because he has good hitters in front of him with Duffy and McClouth on the bench for now. I think Bay has run into some tough pitching too...not giving excuses for him though.
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Postby tuff_gong » Wed May 10, 2006 4:01 pm

I am trying to not to be too worried, but it seems like even on the days when the Pirates are actually putting up runs, he doesn't do anything then either. :-o I picked him very early in my keeper league draft, I hope it wasn't a mistake...
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Postby pibb55 » Wed May 10, 2006 4:50 pm

This thread is funny, saying that Bay is a dud pretty much....

a. His BABIP is .283, his 2004 was .352 and .354 in 2005, which indicates he is getting unlucky so far.

b. His BB/K is Over 1 (higher than his career avg) which is a good indicator of batting over .300 , and probably surpassing his .306 from last year

c. 16 of his 21 SBs were after the All-Star Break, which might be an indication that he feels more comfrtable to run in the warm weather. We're not looking at a Carl Crawford or Podsednik type player, Stolen Bases will come over the course of the season, not on a weekly basis
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Postby buminabox » Wed May 10, 2006 4:52 pm

I don't know why people classified him as an elite outfielder going into this season. He has pretty good power numbers and all, but he plays in a horrible lineup. I doubt hell steal 20 this year. He is not really fast, and I credit last years SB to pitchers not paying attention to him. IMO he was overhyped in this years drafts, and many better OF were drafted way after him.
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Postby BillyHallDisciple » Wed May 10, 2006 5:01 pm

While I see pibb55's point about not pushing the panic button, I am of the opinion that Bay was overvalued, and I actually bought into it when I did my drafts.

At my auction I spent $35 on Bay, when I could've had Carlos Lee for about 20 fewer dollars, and even then at the time I thought Lee had a good chance to match or equal Bay in every category except probably batting average. (Same general thing happened with my draft, as Lee went 2-4 rounds later than Bay). I don't know why I didn't go with my gut on that one.

Holliday went in about Round 6 in my draft, and for about $15 as well in my auction, and I think he and Bay are much more comparable than people think. Holliday hasn't had a season with over 30 homers yet, but he's only 26 and that's about when players like him start to see power spikes + his line-up is way more butt-kicking than the Pirates. Obviously the Coors factor plays a big role as well.

Sizemore was overhyped as well, along with Bay. I see them as very similar, 5-tool type players. Sizemore will get you more R & SB while Bay should give you better HR & RBI while they're about even in BA.

Oh well... hopefully I learned my lesson from all this. Bay could turn it around still, but I really do think he should have been projected more as a 3rd-round type player. And like I said, I admit I bought into it.
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Postby Geek » Wed May 10, 2006 5:04 pm

So there are two schools of thought:

1) He's an elite outfielder who's just off to a slow start; and

2) He's good, but not as good as people thought he was entering the season, and will never repeat his #'s from 2005.
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Postby JMoney » Wed May 10, 2006 5:53 pm

So I traded away Dunn for Bay??? Good, Bad, or Ugly??

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