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Postby acsguitar » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:11 pm

Is it me or would that money have gone to a better cause like grabbing someone who can drive in runs. Geez for that price you could get an elite player and a decent player.

I'm stros can barely score 3 runs a game. Petitte and Oswalt and Clemens ERA can be under 3 but they still are gonna lost a bunch of games due to the anemic offense.

Now I guess the Stros are a 2nd half team but still I'm not sure Clemens is what they really needed.
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Postby blankman » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:24 pm

But money can't really go out and buy anything right now, during the season. They may need hitting, but if a guy like Clemens is out there you can't pass up that opportunity.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:28 pm

blankman wrote:But money can't really go out and buy anything right now, during the season. They may need hitting, but if a guy like Clemens is out there you can't pass up that opportunity.

Yeah...that money may be worth an elite player, and a decent player, but that doesn't do them any good when all the elite players are on a team.

Maybe after the season when Clemens is gone they can use the money on a big bat FA, but there's no one for them to grab right now anyways.
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Postby CadensDad » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:30 pm

Clemens will help ANY team in baseball top to bottom. I dont care who you are but a pitcher like that will help your team. This Astros team is almost the exact same team that went to the WS last year. He is a big help.

I do think he is slightly overpaid but he's still worth it IMO.
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Postby davidmarver » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:31 pm

And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.
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Postby PinotResa » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:34 pm

Yes and he will sell a lot of tickets.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:40 pm

davidmarver wrote:And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.

Although I haven't heard specifically of a no-trade clause, I can't see Houston trading him. That would be one of the most disrespectful things a franchise has done to a player.

He is only going to choose between 3 teams (I don't think Texas ever had a chance) and he picks you because he's with his family and can play with his son in September, so you trade him to another team at the trading deadline? I don't think so.
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Postby CadensDad » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:41 pm

PinotResa wrote:Yes and he will sell a lot of tickets.



Very good point, I had been thinking about that myself.

Clemens will generate his own salary plus more back for the Astros, through mercahndise sales, tickets, (Playoff appearences ect.)

Smart move by the Stros IMO
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Postby bleach168 » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:51 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.

Although I haven't heard specifically of a no-trade clause, I can't see Houston trading him. That would be one of the most disrespectful things a franchise has done to a player.

He is only going to choose between 3 teams (I don't think Texas ever had a chance) and he picks you because he's with his family and can play with his son in September, so you trade him to another team at the trading deadline? I don't think so.


Where was that thinking when Clemens interviewed all those prospective teams to drive up his price? Now he is practically the highest paid player outside of A-Rod.

If he was so concerned, he should have asked for a no-trade clause.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:54 pm

bleach168 wrote:
teddy ballgame wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.

Although I haven't heard specifically of a no-trade clause, I can't see Houston trading him. That would be one of the most disrespectful things a franchise has done to a player.

He is only going to choose between 3 teams (I don't think Texas ever had a chance) and he picks you because he's with his family and can play with his son in September, so you trade him to another team at the trading deadline? I don't think so.


Where was that thinking when Clemens interviewed all those prospective teams to drive up his price? Now he is practically the highest paid player outside of A-Rod.

If he was so concerned, he should have asked for a no-trade clause.

If he was so concerned? Who said that there is concern? I don't think it would even be considered by the Astros, there's no reason for him to be concerned.

And it's not like the Astros had to sign him and give him that much. He was fine with retiring. If a team wanted him, they knew that would be the price.
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