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Postby bleach168 » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:57 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:
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davidmarver wrote:And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.

Although I haven't heard specifically of a no-trade clause, I can't see Houston trading him. That would be one of the most disrespectful things a franchise has done to a player.

He is only going to choose between 3 teams (I don't think Texas ever had a chance) and he picks you because he's with his family and can play with his son in September, so you trade him to another team at the trading deadline? I don't think so.


Where was that thinking when Clemens interviewed all those prospective teams to drive up his price? Now he is practically the highest paid player outside of A-Rod.

If he was so concerned, he should have asked for a no-trade clause.

If he was so concerned? Who said that there is concern? I don't think it would even be considered by the Astros, there's no reason for him to be concerned.

And it's not like the Astros had to sign him and give him that much. He was fine with retiring. If a team wanted him, they knew that would be the price.


I firmly recall last year there was a lot of talk about the Astros trading Clemens before they went on a hot streak.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:06 pm

bleach168 wrote:
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davidmarver wrote:And remember, if the Astros are still out of the race by the trading deadline, Clemens becomes a huge bargaining chip with the Yankees and Red Sox. This is pretty much a win win situation for the 'Stros.

Although I haven't heard specifically of a no-trade clause, I can't see Houston trading him. That would be one of the most disrespectful things a franchise has done to a player.

He is only going to choose between 3 teams (I don't think Texas ever had a chance) and he picks you because he's with his family and can play with his son in September, so you trade him to another team at the trading deadline? I don't think so.


Where was that thinking when Clemens interviewed all those prospective teams to drive up his price? Now he is practically the highest paid player outside of A-Rod.

If he was so concerned, he should have asked for a no-trade clause.

If he was so concerned? Who said that there is concern? I don't think it would even be considered by the Astros, there's no reason for him to be concerned.

And it's not like the Astros had to sign him and give him that much. He was fine with retiring. If a team wanted him, they knew that would be the price.


I firmly recall last year there was a lot of talk about the Astros trading Clemens before they went on a hot streak.

That may be so, but that was last year. That wasn't when he sat out half a year ready to retire who only came back to specifically help that organization.
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Postby wake » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:56 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:That may be so, but that was last year. That wasn't when he sat out half a year ready to retire who only came back to specifically help that organization.


You make it sound like he was already happily retired but came back only because he was concerned about how the Astros were doing. If he was really concerned about the organization he would've been helping them from the beginning of the season instead of using them to drive up his contract. Since the Astros are paying him so much, they have the right to trade him if that is what is best for the team.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:47 pm

The Astros need Clemens now more than ever. Their hitting isn't great (20th in the MLB in RS), but their pitching hasn't been all that helpful either. I don't think there is any question if the Astros need him or not, but are they good enough to compete for the Wild Card with Clemens?
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