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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:41 am

dang, you're right 9 innings thing sorry Minor. I'm a moron apparently. I was going by how many runs he's given up per game the last 5 games not his era. 3.86 isn't bad with 4 wins and those Ks still. Its late here. lol :-o
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Postby hybrid » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:17 am

It's simple, people defend him cause he has very good talent. After he pitched well for 50 innings last year it's hard for people to accept that he might just have a season filled w/ mediocre stats. He also has that "upside" that most don't have and ssometimes people like that over a steady starter. It's the same reason why people stuck with Oliver Perez so long and still do.

BTW - I would take Billingsley over him, but he could also struggle to in the short term. Pitching prospects are a fickled bunch.
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Postby cordscords » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:34 am

StudentOfTheGame wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:Tell me how 4W-1L 3.00 ERA 6.2K 1.4BB in th last 5 starts bad and not useful in fantasy???


in his last 5 starts king has an era of 3.86.

in his last 6 starts king has an era of 4.83.

not sure where youre getting your numbers but they are wrong.



uh, dude? 4+2=6+1=7+5=12+3=15/5=3

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/co ... num=&id=95

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Hmmm thats not how you calculate ERA. :-? So he is averaging giving up 3 runs in his last five starts, but that does not give him an ERA of 3.00.


Felix has a 3.85 ERA over his last 5 starts.

What are you talking about Havok?

As for Cain, he makes for a bottom of the rotation starter this year. He will frustrate some owners, but he will also have some great streches this year. Proceed with caution.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:35 am

cordscords wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:Tell me how 4W-1L 3.00 ERA 6.2K 1.4BB in th last 5 starts bad and not useful in fantasy???


in his last 5 starts king has an era of 3.86.

in his last 6 starts king has an era of 4.83.

not sure where youre getting your numbers but they are wrong.



uh, dude? 4+2=6+1=7+5=12+3=15/5=3

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/co ... num=&id=95

Thanks ;-D


Hmmm thats not how you calculate ERA. :-? So he is averaging giving up 3 runs in his last five starts, but that does not give him an ERA of 3.00.


Felix has a 3.85 ERA over his last 5 starts.

What are you talking about Havok?


gimmie a break, he said he made a mistake the very next post.
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Postby cordscords » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:48 am

The Miner Part 2 wrote:
cordscords wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:Tell me how 4W-1L 3.00 ERA 6.2K 1.4BB in th last 5 starts bad and not useful in fantasy???


in his last 5 starts king has an era of 3.86.

in his last 6 starts king has an era of 4.83.

not sure where youre getting your numbers but they are wrong.



uh, dude? 4+2=6+1=7+5=12+3=15/5=3

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/co ... num=&id=95

Thanks ;-D


Hmmm thats not how you calculate ERA. :-? So he is averaging giving up 3 runs in his last five starts, but that does not give him an ERA of 3.00.


Felix has a 3.85 ERA over his last 5 starts.

What are you talking about Havok?


gimmie a break, he said he made a mistake the very next post.


That's what happens when you read the thread too fast.

Sorry Havok.
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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:52 am

no prob

yeah yeah yeah

i still like Felix

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Postby tomdoyle3 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:59 am

Let's not forget that Matt Cain is just 21 years old, with only 2 years of minor league experience.

He is extremely young, and some control issues for young pitchers is not uncommon. ;-D
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Postby tomdoyle3 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:02 pm

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/arti ... red=rss_sf


Cain a closer? When Alou looks at Wednesday's starter Matt Cain -- the arm, the power -- he sees a younger version of famed closer John Wetteland, who saved 330 games over a 12-year career, mainly with Montreal, New York Yankees and the Texas Rangers.

"He's a work in progress," said Alou of Cain, "but he has awesome stuff, including power at this stage and he's going to get it down -- it's a matter of time."

Could Cain be a good closer? Yes, says the skipper.

"Any guy who throws like that .... he could pitch 97, 98 [mph] for an inning," said Alou. "But we'd like to have a guy like that pitch every fifth day."

He certainly has the stuff to be a closer..
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Postby Half Massed » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:45 pm

Simply put, people defend Cain for his potential. He has the stuff to put up a complete game shutout whenever he pitches. His lack of major league experience actually works in his favor for people defending him. They haven't soured on him despite his struggles because he hasn't dissappointed for a long enough time to be considered a dissappointment on the whole.

In reality, will he turn it around this season? Not likely, having not faced a major league workload in his career, it's unlikely that he'll improve late in the season. My guess is he'll pick it up a little bit, and continue to perk interest with very nice starts here and there but on the whole will be mediocore. Next year is much more his year than this year IMO.
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