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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:06 pm
by Mugrila
DK wrote:
jsphlly wrote:Carl Crawford = Young Barry.

Already has more hits then Bonds did when he was Crawford's age, few other categories he has him beat in that regard too, I can't remember.

The power is coming, maybe not Barry power, but he has a great swing and (insert rumor comment) Barry's swing and bat speed are the keys to his power.


Barry's batting eye is far, far superior to Crawford's, even at a young age. Crawford is no Bonds.


True, I love Crawford, but Barry is one of a kind.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:09 pm
by hybrid
johnsamo wrote:The Angels run a lot for having only one speedster. Scioscia is also a former catcher and knows when it's a good time to run or not. There are a lot of factors, the players speed, the catcher, the pitch count, what pitch the pitcher is likely to throw, he knows all that stuff instictively... This really cuts down on the "stupid" steal signals. He knows when the odds are good or bad, and with Crawford, the speed factor is gonna make for a lot better odds.


Both teams run a lot, is there really any point in saying one does a tad better than the other? The fact is Crawford will always have the green light no matter what team he is on, it's not a matter of him not being on a team that won't let him run. So it's a bit silly trying to make a case for one team running more, it wouldn't effect Crawford either way enough for it to matter.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:42 pm
by johnsamo
It's the Crawford and Vladdy dynamics that make the combo exciting...

Crawford is such a huge steal threat, Vladdy is going to see more fastballs early, and he can tag anybody's fastball. Most pitchers like to try and get Vlad to chase breaking balls in the dirt or low and outside, but throwing that stuff with Crawford on first is dangerous.

Each guy's special talent will feed the other. It'll be a pick your poison for the pitchers, hand Crawford 2nd base easily or throw Vladdy the pitch he likes best. Either way, its good for the Angels.

Same story with Cabrera too. He doesn't have Vladdy's power, but he line drives fast balls for singles and doubles when their in the gap.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:50 pm
by johnsamo
Long story short, Crawford could really up his steals and run #s. And they can't pitch around him to face OC and Vladdy, so he'll see pitches to hit.

Anaheim is a fairly neutral park for homers, no cheap homers (except in summer day games) but you don't have to crush it to get it out either. Very little foul territory, so it's hitter friendly in that category.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:17 am
by Secret Avatar
"Crawford also hit much better at home in his first 3 years in the league."

That may be true, but do you really want to talk about what he did when he was 20 -- and much less of a power hitter -- than he did in the past year and a half? I'll take the more recent stats, that show him hitting much better on the road, than what he did years ago.

Bottom line: I like his recent road stats and the LAA and Rockies lineup better than TB's. And I like Coors better than TB's home park by a few light years.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:52 am
by hybrid
Secret Avatar wrote:"Crawford also hit much better at home in his first 3 years in the league."

That may be true, but do you really want to talk about what he did when he was 20 -- and much less of a power hitter -- than he did in the past year and a half? I'll take the more recent stats, that show him hitting much better on the road, than what he did years ago.

Bottom line: I like his recent road stats and the LAA and Rockies lineup better than TB's. And I like Coors better than TB's home park by a few light years.


Like I said he has career better numbers at home. My point being just cause he has bit better lately away from it, it's not a good indication that it will continue or not. Your bottom line is strictly your opinion really, as I have disproved that their teams or parks are any better to make a real difference.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:58 am
by The Loveable Losers
DK wrote:You guys want to talk about running teams, and haven't mentioned the Mets yet?

Best SB%, most SB in the majors?


Yeah...don't think he's going there though. I definitely wouldn't like the prospects of that power getting eaten in Shea but the lineup would be something to behold. The outfield is probably going to be Nady, Beltran, Milledge there though so no reason to trade for Crawford not to mention nothing really to give.

As for where Crawford would go I'd have to say I prefer the Rockies to the Angels. And it has nothing to do with Coors.

Think about the league. NL West. What teams are in the NL West? Dodgers...excellent catcher in Russ Martin. Giants...Mike Matheny...ok but not great anymore. But who's that catcher for the Padres? MIKE PIAZZA!!! :-L Carl Crawford would get to face Mike Piazza over and over again. That's just sick. ;-D

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:04 am
by johnsamo
Fake turf almost always inflates your hit #s, especially when you're a line drive or slap hitter. It's a fast bounce and you'll get more singles through the infield gaps and past the outfielders in the gaps.

In the end though, being surrounded by other good players is the biggest inflater of stats. You don't get pitched around, you get more RBIs, you get knocked in more when you're on, you get to the Middle relief pitchers faster.... and winning is more fun than losing.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:17 am
by The Loveable Losers
Hey, anyone that's heard about the Colorado rumor have any names of who would be included in the deal? The DRays really need an arm but maybe a first baseman too? I know that Stewart has been struggling so I seriously doubt it would be Atkins and I'm not sure they'd be looking for Stewart either. Maybe Tulo if they're giving up on B.J. at SS. But I'm thinking maybe a quality arm or two and Shealy to finally give them a real corner infielder instead of a nice glove that can hit for average (Lee). I know the Rockies have been trying to move Shealy since he's blocked by Helton. I really don't think that's enough for Crawford though...none of Colorado's arms either in AAA or the majors are on the level of a Santana. And Shealy is an unproven hitter in the majors to this point with only 91 ab's in 2005 (though he's going to get a call up for interleague in the next week or two most likely).

I don't know...I don't like the DRays making a move like that unless they were to get Shealy, Tulo AND a couple arms. Or Shealy, Stewart and an arm. I know Colorado has an excellent sinkerballer in AAA right now...not sure how well he projects out (think I'd heard around a #3 starter...possibly a #2) so maybe that guy + Shealy and Tulo. Move B.J. to the OF (finally) to make room for Tulo and might as well bring Shealy straight up...it's not like Travis Lee is worthy of blocking Shealy.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:40 am
by hybrid
Not really sure how the Rockies rumor came about, as they really don't have any pitching that the Rays would care for. Even with Tulo there would have to be quite a bit more, and I don't think a middle to back of the rotation starter and a soon to be 27 year old minor league first baseman are what's going to make the Rays break down and trade Crawford. I can at least understand the Angels one, cause Ervin is a pretty nice arm and they have good prospects.