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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:06 am

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Pogotheostrich wrote:Tav, I'm wonder where you rank Santo all-time amoungst 3B?
He's around the top 10 IMO.


I have him at #10, but there really haven't been many great 3B throughout history. The position is similar to Catcher (although not to the same extreme) in the fact that left handed fielders are excluded. The 2000s are looking fairly similar to the 80s in that there are several thirdbasemen who have a great shot of making it to the upper echelon of the list. Rolen, Chipper, A-Rod,


who else do you have in the top 10. The only 3b's that stand out to me are Schmidt, Brett, Robinson, and Matthews. Then there is a lower tier with Baker, Kell, Boggs, and Traynor.


I don't have a set list but I'd take Baker over Robinson easily.
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Postby stevekahuda » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:55 pm

He's going to get to 3000 hits - I don't care if it takes you 30 years to get to 3000, that is a very exclusive club that gets you automatic enshrinement. In addition, historically second is one of the weakest positions. I mean, Mickey Morandini was cosidered an offensive force at second in the early 90s. Biggio was far and away the dominant force at his position for more than half of his career. Factor that in with 400 SBs and probably 280 homers and he's a first ballot lock.
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Postby Tavish » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:27 pm

giants! wrote:
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Pogotheostrich wrote:Tav, I'm wonder where you rank Santo all-time amoungst 3B?
He's around the top 10 IMO.


I have him at #10, but there really haven't been many great 3B throughout history. The position is similar to Catcher (although not to the same extreme) in the fact that left handed fielders are excluded. The 2000s are looking fairly similar to the 80s in that there are several thirdbasemen who have a great shot of making it to the upper echelon of the list. Rolen, Chipper, A-Rod,


who else do you have in the top 10. The only 3b's that stand out to me are Schmidt, Brett, Robinson, and Matthews. Then there is a lower tier with Baker, Kell, Boggs, and Traynor.


Boggs belongs in the upper tier of 3Bs. His offense was outstanding for a long period.

There are guys who were not full-time 3B but played a majority of their time in the field there like Molitor and Edgar Martinez (I have Molitor above Santo, but not Edgar). Then guys who are often talked about in the discussion about Santo like Boyer and Bando (I have both below Santo). I have the guys you listed (minus Kell who I have slightly below Santo) plus Molitor and Hack above Santo. That second tier of guys so close together in mind I wouldn't be shocked if anyone had Santo anywhere from #5 to #15.
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Craig Biggio HOF material ???

Postby ayebatter » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:43 am

In what will be his 20th season in the majors, Biggio should reach 3000 hits. Does he get into the HOF, and if so how soon?

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at bats 10359
runs 1776
hits 2930
hr 281
rbi 1125
bb 1137
avg .282
obp .366
slg .435
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Postby BritSox » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:50 am

This has most of the arguments covered.
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Postby ayebatter » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:55 am

BritSox wrote:This has most of the arguments covered.



thanks - thats what i get for not being here during the season - nice read though :*)
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Postby Yoda » Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:27 am

In a word, yes.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:43 am

Yoda wrote:In a word, yes.

Agreed!
without bothering to read this thread .. Yes, Biggio would get my vote
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Postby DK » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:15 am

It still boggles my mind how little Craig Biggio's name recognition is.
The casual fan might barely know him (or atl east know he's a pretty good player), but the more you read about him, the more you realize he's a first-ballot HoFer.
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Postby Dawgpound 1613 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:15 pm

Don't think there should be any doubt. He may not make 1st ballot since there will be some voters who won't vote him 1st time out of principle (reserving for "elite" players), but should easily make 2nd year unless there is no one else in his class. But if 2007 is the last year for Clemens, Randy, Glavine, Bonds, Schilling and Biggio, the lack of awards, WS championships will hurt him in a comparison to the others.

BTW, personally I think he's 1st ballot.
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