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Postby bdrotoronto » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:59 pm

I love this trade for the Brewers. They get two major-league level outfielders and a solid reliever/potential closer all in exchange for a guy they probably wouldn't keep beyond this year, and all after they've pretty much determined they wouldn't be going to the playoffs this year anyway.

This looks like a very good year to sell at the deadline. :-?

But this thread though just makes me wonder why anybody would ever play in an NL- or AL-only fantasy league. :-? The idea that a stud like C.Lee or Soriano could just drop off your roster overnight b/c of a trade seems ridiculous. I can't imagine any reason for a league like that. It's not like they're even distinct leagues, they play each other all the time in inter-league now. If you want to play in a 'deep' league with limited quality on the waiver wire, just play in like a 19- or 20-team league, and you will accomplish that better, while still having all the players from the major leagues available to choose from.
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Postby RynMan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:13 pm

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wrveres wrote:This is a horrible trade for Texas, IMO
What are they doing? If they were going to give up that much talent, they should have gotten an frontline starter in return. Even it was a rental like this is. I mean sure Lee is a nice bat, and his value just took a nice jump for all us players, but Texas needs pitching. Bullpen and Starters. If they are hanging their hopes on Adam Eaton, they better pray that his schedule pits him against the Dodgers aaa lot. Whats that you say? Interleague is over .. Oh they are screwed.

I can't believe that Texas did this ..
A solid late inning arm, two decent bats and a prospect ... for Lee. and zero pitching help.

they don't need the bat.


Cordero is worthless at this point...his contract completely overrides what little value he brings. I'd go so far as to say he is negative value.

Nix does not look like he's ever going to fully develop like most scouts thought he would. He has the potential but obviously hasn't done much in the majors.

Mench is probably the only player I'll miss...but going from Mench to Lee is a huge upgrade in all respects.

I actually really like the trade.


The problem is that Texas are probably going to have to fork out an extremely large amount of money for an extension to prevent Lee from testing free agency. If they don't, this becomes a rental that probably wouldn't have benfited them as much as a frontline starter would have. Either way, I think this trade is going to hurt Texas next year, and depending on the size and duration of any contract accepted by Lee - future years.
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Postby RAmst23 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:14 pm

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RAmst23 wrote:Who wins in this trade really rests on the bat and arm of Laynce Nix and Cordero. If Nix discovers how to make his bat connect with the ball , and Cordero shows that his bad year so far has been an abberation, I think a clear win for the Brewers. Sure they had to give up Lee (who they weren't going to keep) and Cruz (who hasn't proven much at the ML level yet), but I still think it's a good deal. A Milwaukee line-up consisting of Weeks, Fielder, Jenkins, Mench is very competitive and relatively cheap.


Cruz was in the trade not Hart. Hart is still a Brewer.


Thank you, I appreciate the correction. I didn't double check the prospect because it didn't particularly matter for my point. Trading a prospect (unless it's an elite one) for proven talent is always a good idea IMO.
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Postby RynMan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:17 pm

J.C.Fighter wrote:Wow at using OPS to compare Lee and Mench

If I'am not mistaken doesnt Craig Wilson have a higher OPS than Lee??


Unless you have some figures on EqA, OPS is about as good as you can do when it comes to evaluating offensive contribution.

Good point mweir.
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Postby RynMan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:18 pm

P.S. Melvin just may be the most underrated GM in baseball
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Postby rentz » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:30 pm

RynMan wrote:
The problem is that Texas are probably going to have to fork out an extremely large amount of money for an extension to prevent Lee from testing free agency. If they don't, this becomes a rental that probably wouldn't have benfited them as much as a frontline starter would have. Either way, I think this trade is going to hurt Texas next year, and depending on the size and duration of any contract accepted by Lee - future years.


I think the way the rangers are seeing it is that they want to resign lee, but if they dont they get 2 comensation draft picks.
mench was going to get a sizeable and undeserved raise in arbitration, and cordero has an expensive 1yr option left. this trade doesnt hurt them next year at all. either mench or wilkerson was leaving, one way or another (trade or non tender), they get cruz will will probably produce on par or better with what mench has, and is ml ready and infact starting right field this weekend.
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Postby rentz » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:31 pm

RynMan wrote:P.S. Melvin just may be the most underrated GM in baseball


i'll agree with you there, i wish the rangers had never canned him.
plus the guy was kind enough to call one of the local sports talk shows here and explain his side of the trade
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Postby fbc_fan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:33 pm

RynMan wrote:P.S. Melvin just may be the most underrated GM in baseball


completely agree. ever since he took over GM duties, he's been quite savvy in cultivating his farm system and making deals that benefit his long term plans. i don't think that it will be too long before the brewers young nucleus gain enough experience to make a serious run at the NL central. perhaps it will happen next year, but most likely 08 is the year.
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Postby joshyboy72 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:43 pm

bdrotoronto wrote:But this thread though just makes me wonder why anybody would ever play in an NL- or AL-only fantasy league. :-? The idea that a stud like C.Lee or Soriano could just drop off your roster overnight b/c of a trade seems ridiculous. I can't imagine any reason for a league like that. It's not like they're even distinct leagues, they play each other all the time in inter-league now. If you want to play in a 'deep' league with limited quality on the waiver wire, just play in like a 19- or 20-team league, and you will accomplish that better, while still having all the players from the major leagues available to choose from.

In all the AL or NL only leagues I know, managers still get the rest of the year's statistics from their players even if they are traded to the other league. Makes a lot more sense then having your team wrecked by a deal in the MLB. I definitely wouldn't join a fantasy league that didn't give you a player's stats once he goes to the other league.

by the way...I'm guessing Carlos Lee won't be playing tonight because of this deal..?
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Postby rentz » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:45 pm

joshyboy72 wrote:by the way...I'm guessing Carlos Lee won't be playing tonight because of this deal..?


he's expected to arrive at dfw airport at 6:30 and have a police escort to the stadium to start in left field.
thats the plan anyway
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