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Abreu a liability in the field???????

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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:43 pm

NikkiSixx wrote:I may have exaggerated that, but he saves as many hits as any other SS in the league, and that makes up for the 10-15 errors he gets per year. The good way outweighs the bad...and I dont care what is said in this thread, Derek Jeter has good range at SS, its not the best, but its most certainly above average, he gets a very solid jump on the ball, and he has a strong arm. I wouldnt rather have any other SS in the league for all around purposes.


And yes, brainwash. Im not saying the cafe gives out a bad opinion by any means, but basically everybody seems to agree with everybody else except for guys like Oliver Perez and Alfonso Soriano.


First of all, you're way off base on the brainwash thing. There are debates here each and everyday on numerous different subjects. And if you have such a problem with the 'bad opinions' the Cafe gives out, then either 1.) Give out your own opinion and reap the benefits when you're right, or 2.) Leave / Don't listen to them.

Jeter does NOT have good range. Look at his numbers. He's consistently one of the worst shortstops in the league in Range Factor and Zone Rating. Worst, meaning he ranks within the bottom 2-3 each year.

You're memory of every single game Jeter has every played is more accurate than statistics? The stats are wrong, but you are right? Give me a break. Stop being a homer. Jeter is a great player and I love'em, but he simply is not a good fielder and there's nothing you can say to refute it. The numbers are there. They've been presented. The only thing you've presented is bland, inaccurate statements like 'he saves 2-3 hits per game' and 'he gets great jumps on the ball.'

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Postby The Jury » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:56 pm

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BronXBombers51 wrote:I'm as big a Yankee fan as you'll find.

Jeter is an average at best fielder, and Abreu is not a very good fielder.



First off, Jeter makes the hard plays look ridiculously easy, and the easy plays extremely routine, he is one of the best, if not the best defensive SS in the game. I watch the Yankees every day, I would know

And, last I checked, they don't just hand out Gold Gloves to anybody(especially a "liability"), I'm thinking that Abreu had to do SOMETHING to deserve this award


Yankee fan or not, Jeter is an average fielder at best, as another poster noted earlier.

He looks solid because he is sure-handed - he will make most plays when the ball is within his range. However, his range is not great.

I do agree that he one of the top offensive shortstops in the league. But the statistics will tell you that Jeter is not a good defensive shortstop.
The odds of the AL MVP coming from the American League are looking pretty good.
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Postby The Jury » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:00 pm

What looks better if you're watching a game without a measuring tape? An outfielder running his max range of 20 meters, diving, and catching the ball, or an outfielder running his max range of 25 meters, diving, and having the ball hit the tip of his glove?

Jeter makes the plays that he can make, but he doesn't get to as many balls as the premier infielders do.
The odds of the AL MVP coming from the American League are looking pretty good.
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Postby Tavish » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:04 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:I just watch the games and analyze for myself and I realize that he does make 10-15 errors per year, but than he also saves about 2-3 hits per game, thats why he is a gold glover and a very good fielder.
I seriously doubt any SS saves 2-3 hits a game over the course of a season.


You would be right. Jeter's range factor in his best season was 0.16 over the league average which means he got to an extra ball compared to the league average SS once every 6 games.

Ozzie Smith in his very best season didn't get to 2-3 more balls (even with him playing on some heavy groundball teams) than the average SS. His best was about 1.5 over the league average.
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Postby ukrneal » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:55 am

Hey, and Abreu's not too bad either. Remember him?!?!?! :)
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