In case we needed more proof that Wins are meaningless...

[bellings]

I just saw this in the paper:

Glen Perkins (AA MIN) is 2-10 with a 3.97 earned-run average and has 100 strikeouts in 93 innings.

I can't imagine having an ERA under 4 and a K/9 greater of nearly 10, but a winning percentage of less than 20. Ouch.

[DK]

What's the park like? If it's an extreme pitcher's park, at AA having that kind of record isn't unfathomable.

Or if the team is just garbage.

[Amazing Oopah]

Steve Trachsel. He's got more walks than K's, a 5.00+ ERA, and an astronomical WHIP... and yet he has 10 wins.

[Madison]

Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

[Another Blown Save]

And ofcourse you have Jason Marquis with 12 wins

[number9]

Holds are more meaningless than saves because it doesn't require the pitcher to get an out. Lots of wins gets the pitcher a Cy Young though

[teddy ballgame]

Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.

[hayseed]

Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.

I don't think so... I've seen lots of boxscores that give out holds for anyone who faces a batter and doesnt allow the tieing run in.

[teddy ballgame]

Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.

I don't think so... I've seen lots of boxscores that give out holds for anyone who faces a batter and doesnt allow the tieing run in.

Oh I do.

Holds. Earned when a relief pitcher enters a game in a save situation (see SvOp, below, for definition), records at least one out, and leaves the game without having given up the lead

[g-dawg]

The box score on Yahoo has him credited with a hold (or at least it did last time I checked), but he was not given one in the fantasy stats.