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In case we needed more proof that Wins are meaningless...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:23 am
by bellings
I just saw this in the paper:

Glen Perkins (AA MIN) is 2-10 with a 3.97 earned-run average and has 100 strikeouts in 93 innings. 8-o

I can't imagine having an ERA under 4 and a K/9 greater of nearly 10, but a winning percentage of less than 20. Ouch.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:29 am
by DK
What's the park like? If it's an extreme pitcher's park, at AA having that kind of record isn't unfathomable.

Or if the team is just garbage.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:46 am
by Amazing Oopah
Steve Trachsel. He's got more walks than K's, a 5.00+ ERA, and an astronomical WHIP... and yet he has 10 wins. 8-o

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:48 am
by Madison
Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:13 am
by Another Blown Save
And ofcourse you have Jason Marquis with 12 wins :-°

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:14 am
by number9
Holds are more meaningless than saves because it doesn't require the pitcher to get an out. Lots of wins gets the pitcher a Cy Young though :-D

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:41 am
by teddy ballgame
Madison wrote:Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:56 am
by hayseed
teddy ballgame wrote:
Madison wrote:Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.



I don't think so... I've seen lots of boxscores that give out holds for anyone who faces a batter and doesnt allow the tieing run in.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:03 am
by teddy ballgame
hayseed wrote:
teddy ballgame wrote:
Madison wrote:Holds are worse. Saw Armando Benitez came in, faced one batter, walked him, and got credited with a hold.

Just the latest of many examples of where holds are pretty silly.


If you want a wins example, how about Roger Clemens having started 8 games, has a 2.09 ERA and only 2 wins.


I still think holds are more meaningless on the scale though.

He didn't get a hold. You do have to record an out to get a hold, so whatever says he got one is wrong.



I don't think so... I've seen lots of boxscores that give out holds for anyone who faces a batter and doesnt allow the tieing run in.

Oh I do.

ESPN wrote: Holds. Earned when a relief pitcher enters a game in a save situation (see SvOp, below, for definition), records at least one out, and leaves the game without having given up the lead

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:11 am
by g-dawg
The box score on Yahoo has him credited with a hold (or at least it did last time I checked), but he was not given one in the fantasy stats.