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Postby Brave New One » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:50 pm

when is it time to bring in some "MR" to lower era and whip? I am dominating pretty much every category except W, era, and whip. My starters have sucked all year, so I am temted to go with like 5 solid starters, 4 closers, and 2 good MR guys who K alot so I don't loose ground there. What do you guys think? How many "MR" do I need? When do I think about utilizing this strategy?
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Postby cakewalk5 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:11 pm

It matters how many IP you have already logged. Sadly, at this point MR aren't going to help you much since you put out at least 5 SP. They just don't typically log enough innings to affect your ERA and WHIP this late into the season. Those two categories are the hardest to gain ground.

What you can do is project. Prorate the MR stats for the rest of the year. Also prorate the stats for the pitchers still in your lineup. See how many IP you will log from here out, the difference in ERA from having a lineup with MR to a lineup without them, and see how much of a difference it will make to your current ERA. Also see if those changes will affect your standing in those categories (how close are the teams in ERA and WHIP).

Using MR is something you set to do on draft day. They are cheap filler that can help stabilize your ERA and WHIP. If you boot the categories for over half of the season (and draft only starters and closers with higher ratios), then you essentially decide to boot the categories for the entire year.

So I guess my answer to your question is, around the first two months of the season.
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Postby bellings » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:20 pm

Of course, it depends on the setup. If you have weekly changes, you typically have 5 SP's, then your closers, and MR's just fill in whatever is left. So MR's aren't that useful.

However, if you have daily changes and ROTO, MR's are great. A lot of league setups have something like 2 SP's, 2 RP's, and then some P's. I like to use 3 bench spots plus the 2 SP's for my 5 starters, and then always have the rest of the slots filled up with closers and MR. The good MR's will have great K/9, WHIP, and ERA, and can get you better Wins/9 than starters. Basically, you want your MR's pitching as many innings as possible.
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Postby Brave New One » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:36 pm

Thanks for the feed-back. I am in a 6x6 roto....I have 5 solid starters, 3 solid closers...rest of the time I spot start. We have 2 SP, 2 MR, 3 P slots to fill every day. I always start my 3 closers in the 2 MR slots and 1 P slot..... should those other 2 "P" slots be filled with MR? Will that help lower my whip/era at this point in the season?
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Postby bellings » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:40 pm

If you have (or can get) MR's that put up better stats per inning than your starters, you should use them for as many innings as possible. This assumes that you have room on your bench to stash you starters when they are not in the SP's slots.
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Postby cakewalk5 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:05 pm

How many IP have you already logged?

Hope for 1 1/3 innings per the two MR slots per day. So over 6 days, the two MR's will log approximately 8-10 innings (I'll assume 10). I'll assume their collective ERA is 2.00. If you're in a mixed league, I'm guessing your starters average 3.XX ERA and pitch 6-7 innings each (just assume 4 ERA).

Rotating your SP's means you log about 8 starts per six days? ~50 innings of 4 ERA ball. Without using MR (riskier ratio closers instead; assume same ratios as SP in example), you would have ~60 innings of 4 ERA ball. With MR, you would have ~60 innings of 3.2 ERA ball.

Thus, for almost a week you would on average log 3.2 instead of 4. We have played about 18 weeks. There are about 8 weeks left. (18/26) X 4 + (8/26) X 3.2 ~= 2.77 + .98 = 3.75 for the season. That's not including other pitchers you play for filler.

Best case scenario 4 ERA to 3.75 ERA. But I'm guessing .15 ERA difference is more likely this late in the season. If nobody is around you by .2 ERA, I wouldn't worry about it anymore.

You can do the same for WHIP. So if you aren't bunched together in those stats for roto, I would punt.
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Postby bellings » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:18 pm

It may still be worth it for wins. My MR's are averaging about a W every 13 innings or so, which is better than my SP's are doing.
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Postby jdsun1 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:50 pm

I started punting saves since its only one category in my H2H league and MR's like zumaya get enough chances and if you have two good ones like soriano and zumaya and they both log 4 shutout innings a week then you basically get an 8 inning game with high k's low era and low whip a week. I've given up on using guys like carmona, turnblow etc. They just kill ur H2H team in the end.
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Postby Laean » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:07 am

since you're in a roto league, go for it. it's a great strategy there.
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Postby markj11 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:46 am

If all the top MRs are gone, here's a guy I picked up:
Pat Neshek 13IP 17K 1.38ERA 0.46WHIP
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Last 9 Games (Season Game Log)  Season to Date
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K   W L SV IP ERA   
Aug 1 TEX L 0-9 - 2.2 0 0 0 0 0 4   1 0 0 13.0 1.38   
Jul 30 DET W 6-4 W 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0   1 0 0 10.1 1.74   
Jul 29 DET L 6-8 - 1.2 2 1 1 1 0 3   0 0 0 10.0 1.80   
Jul 26 @ CHW W 7-4 - 1.1 1 1 1 1 0 1   0 0 0 8.1 1.08   
Jul 23 @ CLE W 3-1 - 1.2 0 0 0 0 1 2   0 0 0 7.0 0.00   
Jul 21 @ CLE W 14-6 - 1.1 0 0 0 0 1 2   0 0 0 5.1 0.00   
Jul 20 TAM W 6-4 - 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 3   0 0 0 4.0 0.00   
Jul 17 TAM W 6-3 - 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 1   0 0 0 3.0 0.00   
Jul 7 @ TEX L 4-9 - 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 1   0 0 0 2.0 0.00   
Season Total   13.0 4 2 2 2 2 17   1 0 0 0 1.38
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