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Postby Super GM » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:17 pm

Hmmmm.......ok ;-D
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Postby pkarr5000 » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:20 pm

if bonds chooses to stand on the plate and have so much armor, thats his decision, but I guarantee you that voters will take a note of that when they choose the N.L. MVP.
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Postby jdh » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:21 pm

Why would the voters take into consideration how close he stands to the plate or what kind of body armor he wears? Clearly, that is not against the rules and if MLB has a problem with it, they should change the rules. Since they have no rule against it, it's irrelevant to the MVP discussion.
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Postby pkarr5000 » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:33 pm

im well aware anyone can stand on the plate. im just saying thats the first thing people see when bonds goes up to bat.

jdh, this isn't the first time someone has mentioned bonds standing on the plate... and we have had hundreds of mvp discussions, so how is this irrelevant? this is my opinion, not the ruling of who wins.
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Postby jdh » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:36 pm

What I'm saying is how he does or does not hang off the plate doesn't have any relevance to whether he should be MVP or not be MVP, because he isn't breaking any rules and if he was MLB should have cracked down on it by now. What comes into consideration for whether Bonds is MVP or not is what his stats are, and how valuable of a player he is to his team.
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Re: Statistical argument to why Bonds deserves MVP

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:07 pm

jdh wrote:A lot of people are saying that the only argument that anyone thinks Bonds deserves MVP is that his team made the playoffs and Pujols' did not and that they haven't heard a statistical argument, so here goes:


Stats were used in previuos threads. Everyone knows Bonds leads in ops. And under most circumstances, this makes him the best. The factor that cuts into it is playing time. Bonds leads in runs created per 27 easily, 15 to Pujols 11. But Pujols leads in actual runs created, 155 to 144.
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Re: Statistical argument to why Bonds deserves MVP

Postby jdh » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:10 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
jdh wrote:A lot of people are saying that the only argument that anyone thinks Bonds deserves MVP is that his team made the playoffs and Pujols' did not and that they haven't heard a statistical argument, so here goes:


Stats were used in previuos threads. Everyone knows Bonds leads in ops. And under most circumstances, this makes him the best. The factor that cuts into it is playing time. Bonds leads in runs created per 27 easily, 15 to Pujols 11. But Pujols leads in actual runs created, 155 to 144.


Even with Bonds' time missed, he is still almost equal to Pujols in runs created then. With that small of a difference, intangibles like what player leads his team to the playoffs and his team can't win without him in the lineup will and should determine the winner.
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