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Postby Old_Style » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:06 pm

my first options would be gagne and broxton.

my dark horse is torres. i bet the bucs trade mike gonzalez before the deadline becuase his contract expires at the end of the year.

i wouldn't even take a look at rodney becuase he's got zumaya and jones in front of him.
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Postby bigken117 » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:46 pm

The Sox are moving Paps to the rotation next season. Foulke can't do it again, Hansen doesn't have it yet.
Pure speculation tells me the Sox are going to make a run at Lidge while his value is low, leaving Wheeler to assume closer duties in Houston.

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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:53 pm

blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


Dotel amazed doctors by how quickly he recovered from TJ. He came back and even though he pitched badly he still was hitting 96 and 97 on the radar gun. Most people thought he would not pitch at all in 2006. He has stated that he would like to close again. Also, I have heard that Cleveland likes him for their closer in 2007 (Cleveland Plain Dealer). If a team with a young decent bullpen and capable backup stoppers (like Cleveland with Cabrera, Mastny, & Betancourt) signs him to an incentive laden deal the upside and rewards could be great. Low risk.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:32 pm

blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


As far as I can tell, only 1 person (Havok) mentioned Dotel at all.
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Postby StarsNPinstripes » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:41 pm

I'm going w/ Gagne and Dotel.Everyone here knows what Gagne can do when healthy,big if obviously, but the possibility is there.A few people hating on Dotel but this guy is coming off of TJ plus he has closer experience and there are about 8 teams(Giants,Cubs,Red Sox,Marlins,Reds,Indians D-Rays,Royals) that have unresolved closer situations. In my mind, Dotel,and Gagne for that matter, can be the closer for any of these teams and health permitting put up 20+ saves
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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:46 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


As far as I can tell, only 1 person (Havok) mentioned Dotel at all.


Well, the original post mentioned him.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:47 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


As far as I can tell, only 1 person (Havok) mentioned Dotel at all.


Well, the original post mentioned him.


I mean as being a viable option for 20+ saves next season. I can't include the original poster in that as he was just asking the question.
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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:51 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


As far as I can tell, only 1 person (Havok) mentioned Dotel at all.


Well, the original post mentioned him.


I mean as being a viable option for 20+ saves next season. I can't include the original poster in that as he was just asking the question.


Well, he is a FA former closer that was throwing 97 mph and could come cheaply. Not saying he was effective but I'd rather take him in the current market place than say Borowski or somebody overpriced.
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Postby blankman » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:52 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
blankman wrote:Why are so many people here high on Dotel?

He proved nothing last year coming back from injury. He posted an ERA over 10 and didn't get any better as the season went on. He also gave up nearly 2 hits an inning and walked over a batter an inning.


Now if he resigns with the Yanks I certainly hope he can regain his past success, but he hasn't made 50 appearances since 2003 when he was with Houston. Expecting a team to give him the closer's role as if he was never hurt and didn't pitch like garbage last year seems very unrealistic.


As far as I can tell, only 1 person (Havok) mentioned Dotel at all.


I'm obviously not speaking about this thread alone.
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Postby Amazinz » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:06 pm

Dotel made 70+ appearances in 2004. He got traded that year so the appearances are split across two leagues. Prior to the current injury he only failed to miss 50 appearances once; 19 in his rookie season. He pitched a grand total of 10 innings for the Yankees in 2006. 10 IP doesn't seem like a lot of time to readjust after you've been on the shelf for a year and a half. I think you can throw the 10.80 ERA and other stats out the window since it's probably not indicative of how he'll pitch totally rehabbed and a full spring training under his belt.
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