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Postby FalcoAtL » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:05 pm

Def. agreed on Beltran. Andruw just isn't solid enough IMO.
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Postby Geek » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:09 pm

Beltran.

Man, that's a huge dropoff after the first two.
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Re: Best overall CF in the National League?

Postby Tavish » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:11 pm

bigken117 wrote:Vote again ;-D

For me, it's got to be Andruw. Best defense, best offense. Pretty simple despite some other solid choices.

Discuss.


Beltran is the better defensive player and the much better offensive player. Not even close in my book in overall terms. Before this season you could maybe make a case for Edmonds, but with him breaking down as fast as he has there isn't anyone really close to Beltran.
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Postby George_Foreman » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:20 pm

Two questions: are we talking "last year" or "next year"? Last year it was clearly Beltran. Next year... not so sure. We're talking Mr. Consistancy (Andruw) vs. Mr. Inconsistancy. Beltran had similar stats from '03-'04, but other than that, his OPS has jumped around quite a bit. Andruw meanwhile has stayed relatively consistant over the course of his career.

I don't have time to look at the defensive stats, but I wouldn't be surprised if Beltran was better than Andruw last year; Jones has lost a step.

Still, I think it's a lot closer than people are saying. Let's wait another year and see if Beltran's OPS is in the .700's or the .900's. ;-)
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:26 pm

George_Foreman wrote:Two questions: are we talking "last year" or "next year"? Last year it was clearly Beltran. Next year... not so sure. We're talking Mr. Consistancy (Andruw) vs. Mr. Inconsistancy. Beltran had similar stats from '03-'04, but other than that, his OPS has jumped around quite a bit. Andruw meanwhile has stayed relatively consistant over the course of his career.

I don't have time to look at the defensive stats, but I wouldn't be surprised if Beltran was better than Andruw last year; Jones has lost a step.

Still, I think it's a lot closer than people are saying. Let's wait another year and see if Beltran's OPS is in the .700's or the .900's. ;-)


;-D ;-D I agree.
Beltran was much better last year but for the future I'm not so sure.
People are fickle. If this same question was asked last year I'd bet a majority would have taken Andruw.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:34 pm

Career wise Beltran beats Jones in RC/27, SB%. OPS+ is very close with Jones beating Beltran by 3 points. But Beltran also has a 14 pt advantage in BA.

Defensively, I think people are somewhat underrating Beltran's abilities. Beltran's career RFg is superior to Andruw's in CF. Beltran had more Assists in last three years also...
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:53 pm

I like a beltran he is nice
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Postby quiksilver » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:03 pm

I'd hardly call Beltran inconsistent - he's had ONE bad season, and it was his first season in Shea.

Plus, if that's enough to consider Beltran inconsistent then wouldn't Andruw be in the same boat for his off season in 2004?

I'd take Beltran - and I'll agree that it's closer than some people think ;-D .
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Postby BigLebowski » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:29 pm

I think it is kinda close, but I'd take Beltran as well.
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Postby Old_Style » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:36 pm

i like how people are considering beltran an inconsistent player. he had one bad year, look at his last 8 seasons in the bigs, not too shabby.

a few years ago i would make a case for jim edmonds, but he's dropped off over the years. i give the nod to beltran over jones
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