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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:52 pm

I think it is funny that people think this isn't close.
I also think it is funny that people think Jones is the superior defensively.
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Postby mweir145 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:16 pm

Beltran is the better offensive and defensive player right now, so he should win this, but it's fairly close in both areas.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:42 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:I think it is funny that people think this isn't close.
I also think it is funny that people think Jones is the superior defensively.


The poll shows that this is not a close race. But then again, a lot of people are judging this based on 06 in which Beltran was far and away the better player.

Yeah, Andruw's defense is so highly publicized that people do not understand that Beltran is just as good if not better in some areas.
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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:32 pm

Chalk up another vote for Beltran.

As for Andruw's consistency, go back to the spring before 2005 when he had that big homerun explosion and read what people here were saying. He went from 29 to 51 homers in a year. Before that, he had averaged around 35ish.
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Postby DevilDriver » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:37 pm

Beltran by a little bit
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Postby wrveres » Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:15 am

Endy Chavez ;-D
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Postby The Big Stick » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:12 am

I love the cafe but, I sometimes wonder how guys and gals can have such short-term memory. This debate is not as most of you claim to be close. First I want to discuss Andrew Jones. 1996-2006 8 Gold Gloves. 5 All Star appearances. Carlos Beltran 1998-2006 3 All Star appearances NO GOLD GLOVE Per baseball-reference.com
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrca01.shtml

Career: Batting Jones on the left Beltran on the right

AB 5836 ----- AB 4559
R 962 ----- R 826
H 1556 ----- 1280
2B 303 -----245
3B 32 ----- 55
HR 342 ----- 203
RBI 1023 ----- 763
SB 133 ----- 227
AVG 267 -----281

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... yerId=3520

I can also provide fielding number as well if you like. It's clear Jones has been better. Having said that, if I had to pick between Jones and Beltran, I have to go with Beltran because of the fact that his younger. The question proposed by BIGKEN was: "Best overall CF NL" I tend to look at sports in general from a longevity stand point. Who has done it longer and more consistent? Unless someone else can provide number to dispute that Jones has, my vote goes to Jones.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:58 am

The Big Stick wrote:I love the cafe but, I sometimes wonder how guys and gals can have such short-term memory. This debate is not as most of you claim to be close. First I want to discuss Andrew Jones. 1996-2006 8 Gold Gloves. 5 All Star appearances. Carlos Beltran 1998-2006 3 All Star appearances NO GOLD GLOVE Per baseball-reference.com
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrca01.shtml

Career: Batting Jones on the left Beltran on the right

AB 5836 ----- AB 4559
R 962 ----- R 826
H 1556 ----- 1280
2B 303 -----245
3B 32 ----- 55
HR 342 ----- 203
RBI 1023 ----- 763
SB 133 ----- 227
AVG 267 -----281

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... yerId=3520

I can also provide fielding number as well if you like. It's clear Jones has been better. Having said that, if I had to pick between Jones and Beltran, I have to go with Beltran because of the fact that his younger. The question proposed by BIGKEN was: "Best overall CF NL" I tend to look at sports in general from a longevity stand point. Who has done it longer and more consistent? Unless someone else can provide number to dispute that Jones has, my vote goes to Jones.


I'm not sure how those numbers prove Jones is better? He tops Beltran in most categories cause he has an extra 1277 AB.

And Beltran is exactly 1 day younger than Jones.
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Postby The Big Stick » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:33 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:
The Big Stick wrote:I love the cafe but, I sometimes wonder how guys and gals can have such short-term memory. This debate is not as most of you claim to be close. First I want to discuss Andrew Jones. 1996-2006 8 Gold Gloves. 5 All Star appearances. Carlos Beltran 1998-2006 3 All Star appearances NO GOLD GLOVE Per baseball-reference.com
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrca01.shtml

Career: Batting Jones on the left Beltran on the right

AB 5836 ----- AB 4559
R 962 ----- R 826
H 1556 ----- 1280
2B 303 -----245
3B 32 ----- 55
HR 342 ----- 203
RBI 1023 ----- 763
SB 133 ----- 227
AVG 267 -----281

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... yerId=3520

I can also provide fielding number as well if you like. It's clear Jones has been better. Having said that, if I had to pick between Jones and Beltran, I have to go with Beltran because of the fact that his younger. The question proposed by BIGKEN was: "Best overall CF NL" I tend to look at sports in general from a longevity stand point. Who has done it longer and more consistent? Unless someone else can provide number to dispute that Jones has, my vote goes to Jones.


I'm not sure how those numbers prove Jones is better? He tops Beltran in most categories cause he has an extra 1277 AB.

And Beltran is exactly 1 day younger than Jones.


I have listed 8 offensive categories Jones has him in
R 962 ----- R 826
H 1556 ----- 1280
2B 303 -----245
HR 342 ----- 203
RBI 1023 ----- 763
Not to mention 8 Gold Gloves VS 0 let's not forget that part of the equation.
ED: make that 1 Gold Glove for Carlos
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