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Which has more significance?

Ted Williams-.406 Average
7
39%
Joe Dimaggio-56 straight games with a hit
11
61%
 
Total votes : 18

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Postby DK » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:49 pm

which was better, hitting .406 or hitting in 56 straight games?

i've got a solid opinion on this, but i want to see what others think.
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Postby Madison » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:01 pm

I went with Williams. I think it's harder to hit .400 for a season than it is to have a 56 game hitting streak.
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Postby wrveres » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:11 pm

at least one hit in every game for 2 months straight ...That will never be done again .. IMO someone will bat .406 before a 56 game hitting streak.
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Postby LCBOY » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:13 pm

Just a side note. Ted's .406 BA is not the major league record. Here are the highest single season BAs.

1. Hugh Duffy -------.440 (1894)
2. Tip O'Neill----------.436 (1887)
3. Ross Barnes-------.429 (1876)
4. Nap Lajioe---------.427 (1901)
5. Willie Keeler-------.424 (1897)
6. Rogers Hornsby---.424 (1924)
7. George Sisler-----.420 (1922)
8. Ty Cobb-----------.420 (1911)
9. Tuck Turner-------.416 (1894)
10. Fred Dunlap------.412 (1884)

Teddy Ballgame is in 19th place.

I think batting .400 today is probably more difficult. It is more of an indication of great hitting ability. A long hitting streak needs great hitting but also a lot of luck, too. Hitting .400 is possible today. It just needs the right set of circumstances for it to happen. It it might be by someone we wouldn't think would be the one. In 1993 John Olerud was hitting over .400 up until August 2th. In 1980 George Brett was over .400 until September 18th! I think Brett did it the "right" way. He didn't reach .400 until August so he didn't have to deal with the media pressure early in the season.
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Postby DK » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:32 pm

here's my reasoning:

to have a 56-game hitting streak, you have to go 1-4 for 56 consecutive games.

to bat .400, you have to go 2-5 over a span of 162 games.

hitting .400 is harder, IMO.
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Postby DK » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:33 pm

LCBOY wrote:Just a side note. Ted's .406 BA is not the major league record. Here are the highest single season BAs.

1. Hugh Duffy -------.440 (1894)
2. Tip O'Neill----------.436 (1887)
3. Ross Barnes-------.429 (1876)
4. Nap Lajioe---------.427 (1901)
5. Willie Keeler-------.424 (1897)
6. Rogers Hornsby---.424 (1924)
7. George Sisler-----.420 (1922)
8. Ty Cobb-----------.420 (1911)
9. Tuck Turner-------.416 (1894)
10. Fred Dunlap------.412 (1884)

Teddy Ballgame is in 19th place.



i know...but since he was the last one to do it, that's why i singled him out.
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Postby wrveres » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:49 pm

DK wrote:here's my reasoning:

to have a 56-game hitting streak, you have to go 1-4 for 56 consecutive games.

to bat .400, you have to go 2-5 over a span of 162 games.

hitting .400 is harder, IMO.


the difference is you have to "average" 2-5 ... soem nights you might have 3 hit's other 4 (if you are really going for .400.

but obviouslly you can't have any 0-fers in a hit streak. sooner or later you are going to come across an RJ, Pedro, Prior.

Any good Hitter in the AL central could have a shot at .400 on any given year based upon the pitchng weekness in the division. But that same hitter is going to play outside of his divsion during that 56 games. Making a 57 game streak very unlikely.
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Postby timkell » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:13 pm

DK, the poll asked which is harder, but then you asked which is better? 56 is way harder to do than hit .400. That's a complete stroke of skill and luck that seems almost impossible now. You get a 45 game hitting streak going, and you still have two weeks left. One mistake, and you're back to zero.

Now, which one is better? I'll take the .400 any day if I'm managing my team. 56 is just a random, amazing event. It took skill and talent, but it also took tons of luck. .400 for a season is a much more valuable performance than 56 straight games with a hit.
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Postby pkarr5000 » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:59 pm

idhave to say the 56 game hitting srtreak but i still think ted was a better hitter
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