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Postby BigLebowski » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:01 pm

twistedude wrote:Tony Larussa


lol..dude you're twisted. ;-)
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Postby Ender » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:05 pm

I dunno, he hit .271 in the minors, he hit .282 in the majors in 2005, he was hitting in the .260s before his shoulder was hurt last year.

I think its much more likely that he was just hurt than they found holes in his swing, shoulder injuries really do sap production see Wilkerson, Blalock etc.
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Postby biggamer3 » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:26 pm

Here is my list of sleepers, i wrote down what number sleeper they are:
1 Albert Pujols STL
2 Johan Santana MIN
3 Jose Reyes NYM
4 Alfonso Soriano CHC
5 Alex Rodriguez NYY
6 Carl Crawford TB
7 Chase Utley PHI
8 Ryan Howard PHI
9 David Wright NYM
10 Vladimir Guerrero LAA
11 Miguel Cabrera FLA
12 Carlos Beltran NYM
13 David Ortiz BOS
14 Travis Hafner CLE
15 Grady Sizemore CLE
16 Mark Teixeira TEX
17 Miguel Tejada BAL
18 Jimmy Rollins PHI
19 Manny Ramirez BOS
20 Derek Jeter NYY
21 Justin Morneau MIN
22 Aramis Ramirez CHC
23 Matt Holliday COL
24 Jason Bay PIT
25 Chris Carpenter STL
26 Lance Berkman HOU
27 Bobby Abreu NYY
28 Garrett Atkins COL
29 Roy Oswalt HOU
30 Paul Konerko CHW
31 Carlos Zambrano CHC
32 Andruw Jones ATL
33 Derrek Lee CHC
34 Jake Peavy SD
35 Ichiro Suzuki SEA
36 Roy Halladay TOR
37 Brandon Webb ARZ
38 Joe Mauer MIN
39 Robinson Cano NYY
40 John Lackey LAA
41 Carlos Lee HOU
42 Joe Nathan MIN
43 Hanley Ramirez FLA
44 Brian Roberts BAL
45 Juan Pierre LAD
46 Francisco Rodriguez LAA
47 B.J. Ryan TOR
48 Vernon Wells TOR
49 Victor Martinez CLE
50 Michael Young TEX
51 Jeremy Bonderman DET
52 Johnny Damon NYY
53 Mariano Rivera NYY
54 Jermaine Dye CHW
55 Torii Hunter MIN
56 Billy Wagner NYM
57 John Smoltz ATL
58 Carlos Delgado NYM
59 Rafael Furcal LAD
60 Hideki Matsui NYY
61 Aaron Harang CIN
62 Jason Schmidt LAD
63 Brian McCann ATL
64 Daisuke Matsuzaka BOS
65 Trevor Hoffman SD
66 Rickie Weeks MIL
67 Chone Figgins LAA
68 J.J. Putz SEA
69 Carlos Guillen DET
70 Delmon Young TB
71 Felipe Lopez WSH
72 Huston Street OAK
73 Gary Sheffield DET
74 Ben Sheets MIL
75 Prince Fielder MIL
76 Alex Rios TOR
77 Jim Thome CHW
78 Francisco Cordero MIL
79 Troy Glaus TOR
80 Adam Dunn CIN
81 Felix Hernandez SEA
82 Richie Sexson SEA
83 Ryan Zimmerman WSH
84 Jason Giambi NYY
85 Barry Bonds SF
86 Howie Kendrick LAA
87 Scott Rolen STL
88 Todd Helton COL
89 Matt Cain SF
90 Chris Ray BAL
91 Mike Cameron SD
92 Chipper Jones ATL
93 Nick Swisher OAK
94 Brett Myers PHI
95 C.C. Sabathia CLE
96 Bill Hall MIL
97 Mark Teahen KC
98 Dan Haren OAK
99 Chad Cordero WSH
100 Joe Crede CHW

How is my list? ;-)
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Postby CheeseBeger » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:43 pm

I'm not a fan of all of your sleepers but I do agree with you on Phillips. He is 26 this year and I think will really produce.
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Postby samjerky » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:49 pm

I don't agree on Brad Penny. He has consistently had trouble pitching deep into games. I think the first part of the year was the fluke.
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Postby brock middlebrook » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:54 pm

In this age of the internet and instant news, by the time a player becomes a "sleeper" he's pretty much a known quantity, and then it just becomes more of a matter of whether or not you believe in him.
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Re: Sleepers

Postby jake_harv88 » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:16 pm

Lickitysplit131 wrote:SP- Jason Jennings- How did this guy go compltely unforgotten? He has a 3.79 ERA, 140 Ks, and like 5 CGs. BUT, only 9 wins. Did I mention that he pitched in COLORADO last year? Yep, he had those excellent numbers, hold the wins, pitching in Coors Field. He moved to the Astros now, and his numbers should only get better. I seriously think this guy is gona be a top 5 pitcher in the league this year.


This is a shakey sleeper list at best. I agree that jason jennings is undervalued. But moving to the astros is most certainly not going to help his value. Colorado no matter what you say played like a pitchers park last year. I dont know if that will change this year or not. The astros park is clearly a hitters park. Plus the astros lineup is definately not any more potent than the rockies so i wouldn't expect an increase in wins. The expect jennings to be a top 5 pitcher is like expecting ron artest to go a full season without being arrested. Its just not going to happen. Also to expect buerhle to bounce back is a little far fetched. Hes not a strike out pitcher and therefore cannot just lean back on his stuff to get the job done. He was flat out aweful last year and i dont see him returning to '05 form. An era around 4 with 130-140 Ks would be reasonable. A little undervalued but not a pitcher i would count on to anchor my staff. I personally am reluctant to name my sleepers but heres a few you dont hear much about...

Ronny Paulino C PIT - I dont like drafting cathers early so usually i target guys late with high upside. Paulino is a rock that has the ability to hit .300 and develop some power this year...

Shane Victorino OF PHI - I would not be surprised to see this guy steal 30 bases this year, thats not bad for a guy that usually goes undrafted...

Lyle Overbay 1B TOR - Not really a sleeper but a guy that i think is ridiculously undervalued. Overbay is the poster child for consistency and you'll be happy with him as your UTIL or backup 1B...
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Re: Yet another list of Sleepers

Postby ramble2 » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:24 pm

cobbs87 wrote:I just made this one pretty quick. Tell me what you think.

These are all people who I think will well exceed there A.D.P.


Wow, tough crowd. The list cobbs87 made was a list of guys he think will exceed ADP (see above) - and asked for feedback. Leaving aside whether this is a list of sleepers, these kinds of lists are extremely valuable to make going into a draft. A successful draft is about finding value. I've got some comments below.

cobbs87 wrote:Phil Hughes


Having a rough spring. Anyone know if he'll make the team? He was on my radar, but has fallen off for now.

cobbs87 wrote:Nick Markakis


;-D

cobbs87 wrote:Rocco Baldelli


I was hoping to get Baldelli in my keeper, but he got taken out from under me in the 9th round. If you can get him as your 3rd OF he could be a great value.

cobbs87 wrote:Jonny Gomes


A poor man's Dunn. Stay away.

cobbs87 wrote:Scot Kazmir


Tough to get at a value position, but I'm high on him.

cobbs87 wrote:Josh Barfield


Getting hyped a bit (ranked as 3rd 2B in the Fantasy Baseball Index).

cobbs87 wrote:Mike Piazza


Could be an absolute steal in a draft.

cobbs87 wrote:John Patterson


SP is pretty deep this year, but Patterson is definitely slipping. People have short memories, take advantage of it.

cobbs87 wrote:Homer Bailey


ERA is approaching 20 in spring training. May be a year early. Look for him if he gets called up at the end of the season.

cobbs87 wrote:Carlos Quentin


Just got injured. Anyone know how serious it is? He's being overshadowed by CB Young - take advantage of that if healthy.

cobbs87 wrote:Chris B. Young


Getting taken VERY early. The hype machine is in overdrive, and he will have a hard time producing in accordance with his ADP. Look for him next year, when people have soured on him for not going 20/20 - or 30/30. Then he'll be a bargain.

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BJ Upton - should get ABs this years, and will qualify at multiple positions. An excellent bench player.

Igawa - He's no Dice-K, but you can get him in the late rounds of your draft. He should (hopefully) have a nice K/IP, and if he puts up even halfway decent numbers will get a lot of wins.
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Postby Ender » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:25 pm

If you want a guy who was hot for 2 months and stunk the rest of the season then Phillips is your guy! No thanks, he could hit 10 HR, 10 SB and be back in the minors as easily as the stats you posted.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:27 pm

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