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Postby DevilDriver » Sun May 20, 2007 4:43 pm

jbauer2485 wrote:If anyone deserves the Cy Young in the AL East based on what has been done this year it's James Shields.


Josh Beckett is easily the most deserving of the Cy Young in the AL East.
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Postby Yoda » Sun May 20, 2007 4:53 pm

DevilDriver wrote:
jbauer2485 wrote:If anyone deserves the Cy Young in the AL East based on what has been done this year it's James Shields.


Josh Beckett is easily the most deserving of the Cy Young in the AL East.


I agree.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby number9 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:14 am

Cy Young is Haren's to lose and Matsuzaka's not close to putting his claim on it or anything. But he has had a sparkling June in admittedly favourable conditions (@Oak, @Ari, SF, @SD, @Sea) that resulted in 34IP 42K 22H 15BB 6ER 1HR in 5 starts for 1.58ERA and 1.09WHIP this month. Finally bringing his ERA down well below 4.

It'll be interesting to see if he can keep this performance up against stronger opponents now that interleague's over (+1ERA would be a great performance, of course) and if he can keep the ball in the park. He is a flyball pitcher, and he has definitely gained a lot this month from playing in spacious pitchers parks.

Matsuzaka should be in the All Star debate. But he should be scheduled to pitch the last Boston game before the break, so I doubt he'll get consideration (Sox have enough candidates anyways).
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby rippz » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:27 am

Dice could be in the race but can the guy get some darn run support? He has allowed 6 runs in 5 games in June and Boston has only put up 5 runs in all of those 5 games combined. That is horrible. Dice could have 12 wins right now.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby jswede » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:08 am

Come freakin' on.... the Dice love affair is making me ill.

rippz wrote:Dice could be in the race but can the guy get some darn run support? He has allowed 6 runs in 5 games in June and Boston has only put up 5 runs in all of those 5 games combined. That is horrible. Dice could have 12 wins right now.


What about this string of WINS earlier this year:

Apr 22: 6 earned runs
Apr 27: 4 earned runs
May 3: 7 earned runs
May 25: 5 earned runs

May I then subtract 4 W's and put him back at 8, rippz?

He pitched well yesterday, and if he keeps it up like his last five starts, he could contend - but getting sympathy for having the BOS offense behind you just ain't gonna work on me.

How about some cold hard rankings? With respect to his peers with 80+ innings pitched:

3.80era puts him 43rd in MLB
1.24whip puts him 38th in MLB


He plays in a division with ONE team over .500........ he's got wins over the likes of KC, TEX, SEA, 2 over NYY (when they STUNK - and he had 10 earned runs allowed).... oh, and he's got the best bullpen in baseball behind him.

I may be going a little overboard with the negativity, but I'm just trying to balance this discussion out - and by the way, every oine of the points made above are FACTS. Someone go ahead and put lipstick on this guy and tell me again why I should be so impressed, much less talk Cy freakin Young.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby rippz » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:17 am

I didnt say he was Cy Young. I said he could be in the race. The season is half over and he does have half descent numbers. Alot of people are in the race at this point. Haren leads it followed by Beckett and C.C.. I wouldnt be at all surprised if Santana-Bedard-Dice all at some point make a run at it. Why do people act like such tools when they dont even know what they are talking about?

You start crying because I said that Dice could be in the race if he would have gotten some run support over his last few games??? Why would me saying that make you mad? I never said he was the best or anything like that.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby jswede » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:34 am

rippz wrote:I didnt say he was Cy Young. I said he could be in the race. The season is half over and he does have half descent numbers. Alot of people are in the race at this point. Haren leads it followed by Beckett and C.C.. I wouldnt be at all surprised if Santana-Bedard-Dice all at some point make a run at it. Why do people act like such tools when they dont even know what they are talking about?

You start crying because I said that Dice could be in the race if he would have gotten some run support over his last few games??? Why would me saying that make you mad? I never said he was the best or anything like that.


Rippz, while the "run support" topic was an answer to your statement, I ain't mad 'atcha and wasn't talkign specifically at you. I promise. lol.

In general, the tone (and I assure you, there was no crying) was directed at the continual props given to this guy on the Cafe and ESPN for what has been - up until June - well below average pitching. Nothing personal, sorry if you took it like that.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby rippz » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:52 am

NP ;7

I dont even like Dice but I put alot of pressure on him to do well because I made a horrible trade in a Keeper sending ARod packing and Dice was in the deal.

Dice is actually doing well for a rookie though. He has the exact same numbers as Hamels. So he does deserve some respect. Not Cy Young respect but ROY is a possibility.
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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:59 am

Dice-K for a Grammy!

June 25, 2007
Music from the Mound
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff


The upcoming album "Music From The Mound" from Red Sox pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka features a compilation of Matsuzaka's favorite and inspirational songs from various American, English and Japanese recording artists. The CD is set to debut in stores on July 17.

The album also features the new original track "Gyro Ball", which includes guest performances from former J. Geils harmonica player Magic Dick, former Extreme guitarist Nuno Bettencourt as well as Boston Red Sox television announcers Don Orsillo and Jerry Remy.

A portion of the proceeds from all albums sold, as well as the download of "Gyro Ball", will be donated to the Red Sox Foundation, the official team charity of the Boston Red Sox.

"EMI is very proud to be the vehicle to release this terrific album to Dice-K's many fans across the U.S. and Japan" said EMI Special Markets President Eli Okun. "Dice-K has done a wonderful job putting together an album filled with great selections and diverse music".

"I listen to both Japanese and English/American artists, and I enjoy a wide variety of music, especially Rock, Hip Hop and R&B" said Matsuzaka. "I am excited to share my favorite inspirational songs with everyone in Red Sox nation and beyond. I'm also thrilled to work with the Red Sox Foundation, the official team charity of the Red Sox on this project".

"We are deeply honored by Daisuke's generosity in naming the Red Sox Foundation as the beneficiary of this terrific CD. Now fans can learn another side of this extraordinary talented man through his favorite songs" said Red Sox Chairman Tom Werner. "Funds raised through this CD will help our team charity provide vital health, educational, recreational and social service programs to children in need".

Sponsors of the album include the Greater Boston Convention & Visitors Bureau, the official visitor marketing organization for the Boston and Cambridge area. The official website for "Music From The Mound" is http://www.dicekcd.com. Included on the album is the track "The Second Coming" featured in the Nike basketball commercials.


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Re: Dice-K for Cy Young?

Postby jnormy » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:26 am

jswede wrote:he's got wins over the likes of KC, TEX, SEA, 2 over NYY (when they STUNK - and he had 10 earned runs allowed)....


If by the "likes of" you mean top 10 offenses in runs scored this year, then you're right on the money. Texas is currently #3, the Yankees are #5, and Seattle is at #9. And even the Royals aren't scraping the bottom, at a respectable 18th, one ahead of my Mets (I'm embarrassed to say!). Now those are some "cold hard rankings" that you seem to have ignored.

Obviously Dice-K is WAY behind at this point in any Cy Young discussion, but the guy is having a good year. Overhyped? Of course. That doesn't mean he's not a very good pitcher. (I don't think he'd look too good in lipstick, though. :b )
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