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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:57 pm
by SignGuy
mak1277 wrote:According to "talent evaluators" Gorzellany is likely to be the best of Pittsburgh's young starters.

That doesn't mean that he's a better option than, say, Snell, right now, but I do think he has the most potential for long-term success.

His struggles are going to come when he gets wild. Even today, he threw a lot of balls. If he can continue to keep the walk numbers down, though, he's going to have a real nice year.


Personally id rather have Snell in a keeper

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:00 pm
by Drunken Rhino
SignGuy wrote:
CBMGreatOne wrote:Beware of Ryan Vogelsong part II. :*)

In all seriousness, he looks pretty good. I'm definitely going to keep a close eye on him, but I still wouldn't start him for his next turn just yet @LAD.


I would advise starting him @LA actually. Great pitchers park and Dodgers dont have the scariest offense.


Tell that to Chris Young...

I remember when Duke 1st came up 2 years ago and everyone was saying he was going to be awesome. Then I looked into it further and our 2 best minor league pitchers were Gorzelanny and Snell. Now this year, it seems that Snell and Gorzelanny are both outshining Duke and I'd be surprised if that didnt continue for the rest of the year.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:00 pm
by J35J
I'd lean toward Snell as well but they should be fairly similar when all things are said and done. Snell had the better control throughout his minor league career which is what makes me lean his way.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:07 pm
by Yoda
Drunken Rhino wrote:
SignGuy wrote:
CBMGreatOne wrote:Beware of Ryan Vogelsong part II. :*)

In all seriousness, he looks pretty good. I'm definitely going to keep a close eye on him, but I still wouldn't start him for his next turn just yet @LAD.


I would advise starting him @LA actually. Great pitchers park and Dodgers dont have the scariest offense.


Tell that to Chris Young...

I remember when Duke 1st came up 2 years ago and everyone was saying he was going to be awesome. Then I looked into it further and our 2 best minor league pitchers were Gorzelanny and Snell. Now this year, it seems that Snell and Gorzelanny are both outshining Duke and I'd be surprised if that didnt continue for the rest of the year.


Never bought into Duke. He really needs pinpoint control to be successful and he is nowhere near as good at it in MLB compared to MiLB.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:17 pm
by Inukchuk
I ended up with Gorzo in a lot of my leagues, and I really like what he's shown so far. While I was concerned with the number of balls he threw today, he seemed to get better as the game went on. He kept the ball down, and it seems as if hitters have a tough time making solid contact on him (aside from Pujols...). Add to that a delivery that makes the ball tough for hitters to pick up, and I could see a nice little breakout for him this year.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:21 pm
by mak1277
SignGuy wrote:
mak1277 wrote:According to "talent evaluators" Gorzellany is likely to be the best of Pittsburgh's young starters.

That doesn't mean that he's a better option than, say, Snell, right now, but I do think he has the most potential for long-term success.

His struggles are going to come when he gets wild. Even today, he threw a lot of balls. If he can continue to keep the walk numbers down, though, he's going to have a real nice year.


Personally id rather have Snell in a keeper


While healthy, I agree that Snell will be the better fantasy pitcher (more consistent K's, fewer walks). I'd much rather have Gorzo in real life though.

First, I don't think Snell is ever going to be consistently good past the 6th inning. Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but I'd rather have a guy that can give me 8 strong innings at least a few times a year.

Second (and I HATE to say this), but I think Snell is a TJ surgery waiting to happen, based on his mechanics and the absurd number of sliders he's throwing this year.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:01 pm
by B1leper
Keep in mind that this Gorz's second consecutive appearance against the Cards. It was pretty impressive for him to pitch as well as he did today as the St Louis hitters had to be familiar with his stuff and "deception."

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:10 pm
by BitterDodgerFan
just hopped off the grenkie bandwagon and got on the gorzo bandwagon :*)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:23 pm
by Mercer Boy
He had a HORRIBLE spring though which made me think twice, but he's really been great. He throws hard and has good breaking stuff. As long as he doesn't get crazy with the walks he's very good.

Before spring training he was my pick to be the #1 starter for the Pirates for next year. Every year the Pirates run someone new into the #1 role, and they generally stink. So far Snell has been pretty good, and Gorzelanny is doing exactly what I expected. ;-D

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:00 pm
by Giambis
B1leper wrote:Keep in mind that this Gorz's second consecutive appearance against the Cards. It was pretty impressive for him to pitch as well as he did today as the St Louis hitters had to be familiar with his stuff and "deception."


I agree with this to a point, but it also could cut the other way. This is his second consecutive appearance against the completely stagnant Cardinals offense. Couple that with an extremely low BABIP last year (.264) that strongly contributed to his decent overall numbers, and I'd like to see a little more of him before I make my move (though I'm sure that means I won't get him).