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Postby godallahstar » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:25 am

i'm just thinking in terms of "ceilling",
not how far they are realistically going to be able to reach,
or who is more likely to pan out.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:57 pm

godallahstar wrote:i'm just thinking in terms of "ceilling",
not how far they are realistically going to be able to reach,
or who is more likely to pan out.


Well, how do you judge ceiling? I think it's best judged by how well players do especially against tougher competition and how quickly they adjust when challenged. You can waste a lot of time focusing on some guy's "stuff", when someone else is blowing the other guy out of the water on the field.

I'll rely on actual outcome on the field to judge ceiling.

At younger ages against stiffer competition, Loewen has kicked Cabrera's butt.

What better information is there about ceiling?
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Postby godallahstar » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:05 pm

my handy-dandy scouting dictionary says

cei·ling: the maximum level of skilll to which a player or prospect can conceivably develop at his peak.
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Postby captoats85 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Keith Law on Loewen from a 4/19 chat ... opinion is the total opposite of Goldstein's.

Matt (Springfield, MO): Is Loewen going to get his "stuff" together? Is he any good?

SportsNation Keith Law: His stuff is only OK, and his control has never been good. I think that the "real" Adam Loewen was left on the operating table when he tore his labrum in '04.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=15425
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Postby Havok1517 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Fact:

Cabrera has a higher ceiling than Loewen

Fact:

Loewen is much more capable of meeting his ceiling (a high one as well) than Cabrera.
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Postby godallahstar » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:52 pm

I would probably agree.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:20 pm

Havok1517 wrote:Fact:

Cabrera has a higher ceiling than Loewen



Based on what?

Loewen is younger.
Loewen has perfomed better at every minor league level.
Loewen performed better even though he was younger at each minor league level.

Other opinions on Loewen

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/fe ... ioles.html

http://www.projectprospect.com/22-going-on-23-part-ii/

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/pr ... 62799.html (projects Loewen to a #2 starter, Cabrera to a #3)
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:21 pm

godallahstar wrote:my handy-dandy scouting dictionary says

cei·ling: the maximum level of skilll to which a player or prospect can conceivably develop at his peak.


That's fine.

Tell me why you would assume that a player who performed worse at EVERY level in the minor leagues despite the fact that they were OLDER has a higher ceiling.
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Postby Havok1517 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:33 pm

Cabrera has more dominating stuff. Personally, I'm a Loewen fan and would take him over Cabrera but the fireballer has a higher ceiling.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:56 pm

Havok1517 wrote:Cabrera has more dominating stuff. Personally, I'm a Loewen fan and would take him over Cabrera but the fireballer has a higher ceiling.


Again, I would just have to ask, "Based on what?"

Suppose you had never seen either guy pitch and you looked just at their performance on the field.

What evidence would you cite in favor of Cabrera's higher ceiling?

I think this is just an example of wishful thinking. A guy "looks better"---has good face as the scouts might say. But, my question is WHERE'S THE BEEF?

Cabrera's done very little to demonstrate better "stuff" where it really counts...on the field.

Doesn't matter how much "stuff" you got...if the hitters hit, it ain't good enough; if you can't get it over the plate consistently, it ain't gonna work.
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