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Which feat is most impressive?

Frank Thomas hitting 500 HR
4
9%
Trevor Hoffman getting 500 saves
32
71%
Craig Biggio getting 3,000 hits
9
20%
 
Total votes : 45

Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby Tavish » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:14 pm

Oatsdad wrote:Definitely Hoffman. How can doing something no one's ever done NOT be the most impressive? The other two are special but not unique...

Because you are comparing Hoffman to the last 20 years worth of pitchers, with Biggio and Thomas you are comparing them to the last 120 years worth of hitters.

I'll take Glavine's 300 Wins over all of them, then 3000 hits as the next in the list of impressive accomplishments.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby J35J » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:15 pm

Tavish wrote:
Oatsdad wrote:Definitely Hoffman. How can doing something no one's ever done NOT be the most impressive? The other two are special but not unique...

Because you are comparing Hoffman to the last 20 years worth of pitchers, with Biggio and Thomas you are comparing them to the last 120 years worth of hitters.

I'll take Glavine's 300 Wins over all of them, then 3000 hits as the next in the list of impressive accomplishments.



I'll take Glavine's 300 Wins as well! ;D
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:41 pm

Glavine winning 300 trumps them all, and for me, 3,000 hits by Biggio is the least impressive, given how worthless he has been since 2004. When Jeter does it four years faster than Biggio, that I will be incredibly impressed with, and will be right behind Glavine of these options.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby Doughhead » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:55 pm

Definitely the Big Hurt.

It's tempting to say Hoffman because, whereas the other two guys are just joining elite company, he has the record all to himself. But closers are a relatively new animal, so it's not like he's competing with generations and generations of other relief pitchers for that record. Plus, he's one of the few individuals who has basically been a closer for his entire career, so he had an opportunity to set that record, which was, until recently, basically an unknown record. Not to diminish it, but he broke Lee Smith's mark and that guy isn't even given serious consideration as a Hall of Famer.

Biggio's 3000 hits are impressive, but to me, 500 bombs is a more "impressive" feat--possibly just because I find a Frank Thomas home run infinitely more "impressive" than a Craig Biggio single.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:00 pm

Doughhead wrote:Definitely the Big Hurt.

It's tempting to say Hoffman because, whereas the other two guys are just joining elite company, he has the record all to himself. But closers are a relatively new animal, so it's not like he's competing with generations and generations of other relief pitchers for that record. Plus, he's one of the few individuals who has basically been a closer for his entire career, so he had an opportunity to set that record, which was, until recently, basically an unknown record. Not to diminish it, but he broke Lee Smith's mark and that guy isn't even given serious consideration as a Hall of Famer.

Biggio's 3000 hits are impressive, but to me, 500 bombs is a more "impressive" feat--possibly just because I find a Frank Thomas home run infinitely more "impressive" than a Craig Biggio single.


Good post. I can tell that you haven't voted for Frank but nonetheless, good post.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby stromadd » Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:07 pm

I would have to say Biggio...you have to also take into consideration that he has more doubles than any right handed hitter in mlb history, over 1800 runs scored, 286 HR, 413 sotlen bases, 1150 walks, 283 HBP, 1150 RBI, he was an all star as a catcher one year and the very next year he made it as a second baseman...oh yah, 3000 hits. I think all that Biggio has done makes his accomplishments more impressive.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:33 pm

I'm gonna say Hoffman, because a closer is much more likely to lose his job then a hitter. Plus, there is no such thing as a "bench" or part-time closer who can hang around and beef up his stats. Closers have to be impressive throughout their entire career. Certainly Thomas and Biggion have both lost a lot of their stuff at this point.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby EWSPECIALTY » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:17 pm

I've gotta say hoffman, because that milestone came with a ton of mental fortitude. He never broke. That record could be broken, but closers most closers don't last. (ie brad lidge). The 500 homeruns won't mean jack one day, IMO. In 15-20 years, we will be seeing those numbers everywhere & 600 will be the new 500 club. The 3,000 hit club will, IMO, always remain an elite club. That count is reached by pure athleticism, add into that all of his other stats and what a carreer. His performance this season and the last half of last season have tainted people's opinions,(get over it) but the game of baseball has always been for the fans and the almighty dollar.

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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby davidmarver » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:12 pm

The active statistic -- even moreso than Bonds homerun number -- that I find most impressive is Pedro Martinez' ERA+. Granted, that's not a 'milestone' per say, but it's still the most impressive number in baseball, in my opinion.
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Re: Most Impressive: Thomas, Hoffman or Biggio?

Postby acsguitar » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:31 pm

I'll take Arod in a few weeks when he's the fastest to 500

Other then that I'll take the Pads guy Hoffman even though it probably means agreeing with you know who
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