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30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:09 pm
by markj11
There seems to be an unusually large amont of players on pace for 30/30 this year. There even seems to be more rookies labled as possible 25+/25+. Are the days of drafting pure speed guys early gone?
30/30
Soriano 16HR/13SB
Sheff 22HR/16SB
Wright 16HR/20SB
Beltran 16HR/14SB
Phillips 19HR/17SB
Rollins 18HR/15SB
Sizemore 15HR/25SB
H. Ramírez 14HR/27SB
Byrnes 14HR/19SB
Hart 12HR/16SB
Braun 13HR/8SB in 172AB
Pence 11HR/8SB

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:21 pm
by BigMusky
I would say no because a guy like Figgins still have a place in the league. I personally like team speed better then one guy speed. Ask anyone that drafted Lopez this year. I would say though that speed guys that dont hit for average have lost their significance in most leagues.

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:34 pm
by activechamp2006
Where is MR. Alex Rios on your list?

18hr 9sbs.

and i would say there are more guys likely to go 20-20.
i doubt more then maybe 2 go 30-30.
Considering last season there was only one.

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:39 pm
by J35J
markj11 wrote:There seems to be an unusually large amont of players on pace for 30/30 this year. There even seems to be more rookies labled as possible 25+/25+. Are the days of drafting pure speed guys early gone?
30/30
Soriano 16HR/13SB
Sheff 22HR/16SB
Wright 16HR/20SB
Beltran 16HR/14SB
Phillips 19HR/17SB
Rollins 18HR/15SB
Sizemore 15HR/25SB
H. Ramírez 14HR/27SB
Byrnes 14HR/19SB
Hart 12HR/16SB
Braun 13HR/8SB in 172AB
Pence 11HR/8SB


I wouldn't be suprised at all if none of the guys above make 30/30. There is a nice number of 20/20 guys though! ;-D

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:54 pm
by Yoda
J35J wrote:
markj11 wrote:There seems to be an unusually large amont of players on pace for 30/30 this year. There even seems to be more rookies labled as possible 25+/25+. Are the days of drafting pure speed guys early gone?
30/30
Soriano 16HR/13SB
Sheff 22HR/16SB
Wright 16HR/20SB
Beltran 16HR/14SB
Phillips 19HR/17SB
Rollins 18HR/15SB
Sizemore 15HR/25SB
H. Ramírez 14HR/27SB
Byrnes 14HR/19SB
Hart 12HR/16SB
Braun 13HR/8SB in 172AB
Pence 11HR/8SB


I wouldn't be suprised at all if none of the guys above make 30/30. There is a nice number of 20/20 guys though! ;-D


Good points... I'd say Sheff is the only lock barring injury.

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:58 pm
by CadensDad
Yoda wrote:
J35J wrote:
markj11 wrote:There seems to be an unusually large amont of players on pace for 30/30 this year. There even seems to be more rookies labled as possible 25+/25+. Are the days of drafting pure speed guys early gone?
30/30
Soriano 16HR/13SB
Sheff 22HR/16SB
Wright 16HR/20SB
Beltran 16HR/14SB
Phillips 19HR/17SB
Rollins 18HR/15SB
Sizemore 15HR/25SB
H. Ramírez 14HR/27SB
Byrnes 14HR/19SB
Hart 12HR/16SB
Braun 13HR/8SB in 172AB
Pence 11HR/8SB


I wouldn't be suprised at all if none of the guys above make 30/30. There is a nice number of 20/20 guys though! ;-D


Good points... I'd say Sheff is the only lock barring injury.


Sheff a lock for 30/30? Sorry man I seriously doubt that. I just dont see him runing the rest of the season

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:07 pm
by MTUCache
CadensDad wrote: Sheff a lock for 30/30? Sorry man I seriously doubt that. I just dont see him runing the rest of the season


Honestly... with the success he's had so far, the fact that he's not using up energy playing the field, and that he's creating even more stress for pitchers while Magglio/Guillen are up to bat, I'd wager that Leyland is going to have him running more.

Frankly, unless the pitcher/catcher matchup is just too strong, I'd hope to see Sheff running in any favorable counts anytime Polanco/Granderson aren't already standing at second base. It appears that Leyland has been thinking very similarly lately. Between the straight-up steals and the botched Hit-and-runs while Sheff is standing at 1B, I'd expect to see him easily get 30 SB this year.

I'm not sure if it's a change in Leyland's decision-making and strategy this year, Sheff's fresh legs, Andy VanSlyke egging him on at 1B, or a combination of all three, but something has got a fire under that guy's azz for the time being, and I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:20 pm
by markj11
CadensDad wrote:
Sheff a lock for 30/30? Sorry man I seriously doubt that. I just dont see him runing the rest of the season


He had 2 steals last night and one was home plate. Do you mean starting today at 1:58pm he is going to quit running?

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:31 pm
by markj11
activechamp2006 wrote:Where is MR. Alex Rios on your list?

18hr 9sbs.

and i would say there are more guys likely to go 20-20.
i doubt more then maybe 2 go 30-30.
Considering last season there was only one.


I listed people that averaged out to a full season would be close and the bottom few being the rookies/new guys mentioned. 9sbs in the first half seems, by my math, to fall quite a bit short. If you want to go that low, how about Arod 31/9, Hunter 19/11, Victorino 11/28, R. Martin 11/16.

Re: 30/30

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
by CBMGreatOne
markj11 wrote:
CadensDad wrote:
Sheff a lock for 30/30? Sorry man I seriously doubt that. I just dont see him runing the rest of the season


He had 2 steals last night and one was home plate. Do you mean starting today at 1:58pm he is going to quit running?



If Sheff gets to 30 SBs, I'll eat my hat.

:-b J/K, but I really don't see it happening.

His career high in SBs was 25, and that was only a mere 17 years ago. He has never stolen 20 in any other season. Now we're going to extrapolate the first half of one season's numbers rather than look at his career as a whole?

This is a guy who steals more with veteran savvy than speed. To call him a lock for 30/30 is... well... it's ridiculous.