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Postby J35J » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:10 pm

Found this interesting as I was looking over league leaders and such....

# of players with at least 20SBs on the year.

'07 - 45+ (This is just an estimate as the season isn't over, obviously)
'06 - 35
'05 - 27
'04 - 27
'03 - 26
'02 - 33


.....looks as if the # of athletes in the league is going up! Not to difficult to find speed guys this year! Not to mention all the guys who came up late this year or will be playing full time next year that are decent speed guys as well!

Any comments welcome....I was a little suprised myself.
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Re: Speed

Postby Yoda » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:50 pm

It would be interesting to see how power has come along the same time line. Can you put that together?

To me, it seems like a cycle between power/speed. There are a few monster HR hitters but power does seem to be down this year when you look at the traditional boppers like Hafner, Ortiz, Manny, Pujols, Andruw, etc.

I'm actually glad though since i have a lot of 20+/20+ guys on my team this year.
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Re: Speed

Postby J35J » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:43 pm

Yoda wrote:It would be interesting to see how power has come along the same time line. Can you put that together?

To me, it seems like a cycle between power/speed. There are a few monster HR hitters but power does seem to be down this year when you look at the traditional boppers like Hafner, Ortiz, Manny, Pujols, Andruw, etc.

I'm actually glad though since i have a lot of 20+/20+ guys on my team this year.


I thought the same thing in regards to power but other than not having a ton of 40+ home run guys this year the # of 30+ home run guys or potential 30+ hr guys is pretty much the same.
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Re: Speed

Postby J35J » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:52 pm

30+ home run guys

'07 - 30+
'06 - 34
'05 - 27
'04 - 37
'03 - 30
'02 - 28
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Re: Speed

Postby StlSluggers » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:11 pm

Yoda wrote:It would be interesting to see how power has come along the same time line. Can you put that together?

To me, it seems like a cycle between power/speed. There are a few monster HR hitters but power does seem to be down this year when you look at the traditional boppers like Hafner, Ortiz, Manny, Pujols, Andruw, etc.

I'm actually glad though since i have a lot of 20+/20+ guys on my team this year.

Year 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Agg. SLG .417 .422 .428 .419 .433 .422

...or to put it side-by-side...

Slg - Steals
0.417 33
0.422 26
0.428 27
0.419 27
0.433 35
0.422 45

2005 sort of threw any pattern out of whack and then 2006 buried the hatchet.

Power and speed seem unrelated on the whole, but this would be better if I was looking at total SBs and not number of people over a certain amount of steals. That would put apples to apples, as they say.
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Re: Speed

Postby Yoda » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:44 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
Yoda wrote:It would be interesting to see how power has come along the same time line. Can you put that together?

To me, it seems like a cycle between power/speed. There are a few monster HR hitters but power does seem to be down this year when you look at the traditional boppers like Hafner, Ortiz, Manny, Pujols, Andruw, etc.

I'm actually glad though since i have a lot of 20+/20+ guys on my team this year.

Year 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Agg. SLG .417 .422 .428 .419 .433 .422

...or to put it side-by-side...

Slg - Steals
0.417 33
0.422 26
0.428 27
0.419 27
0.433 35
0.422 45

2005 sort of threw any pattern out of whack and then 2006 buried the hatchet.

Power and speed seem unrelated on the whole, but this would be better if I was looking at total SBs and not number of people over a certain amount of steals. That would put apples to apples, as they say.


I do think that players are far more athletic today especially the ones that are starting their careers or breaking out. You are right in that it would be more interesting to compare total SBs with HRs or SLG.
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Re: Speed

Postby RynMan » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:28 am

Better athletes? Please. It's clear that teams have finally realised the benefits of playing small ball. B-)
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Re: Speed

Postby jfg » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:58 am

It has more to do with the fact that moneyball is dying out and has been replaced by smallball. But, I agree that more athletes are in the league because those are the guys that are being called up.
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Re: Speed

Postby RynMan » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:25 am

RynMan wrote:Better athletes? Please. It's clear that teams have finally realised the benefits of playing small ball. B-)


For the record, this is a ;-7
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