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Postby Arlo » Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:52 am

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BobbyRoberto wrote:An obvious solution to a few problems in MLB would be to move the Expos to the New York area. New York had 3 teams before the Dodgers and Giants headed west in the '50's. There are more people living there now, so they could support 3 teams again. If you divide the New York market among 3 teams instead of the current 2, you could reduce Yankees and Mets' revenues and get the Expos out of Limbo World.


Please explain to me where the Expos will find their fans in NY. You look at the city and the vast majority of people have some baseball team that they are affiliated with- Yankees, Mets or any other team. The people who have no favorite team cannot possibly be counted on to all of a sudden become die hard baseball fans and attend Expos games.

Sure it would be nice if you could simply divide NY's market into 3, but its not possible. Yes, using very simple economics- dividing the market by 3, a third team could be supported, but again this idea is shortsighted. The fact remains that the Expos would have few fans in relation to any other team and would not have enough fans to profitably fill the stadium and sell merchandise.

Well, the Mets were in the same situation when they entered the league.

In any case, I don't think this will be happening. Interesting thought, though.
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Postby Guest » Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:27 pm

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[exactly baseball needs some sort of cap desperatly. The luxury tax should get increased i mean this pentaly doesnt seem to stop the yankees its just like chump change to them. I propose increasing the penalty to 60 mill standard penalty. Then doate the money to chairtys and youth baseball leagues. This will make teams think twice about goign over that threshold. And before peole start people compalining about how this will limit spending it wont and it would the game more fun and fair and by the way no one told you owner to go over the threshold of when the penalty starts to kick in.


NO, NO, NO, NO.

Caps solve nothing. They merely create strong incentives for teams to throw a lousy product out on the field and coast on the success of others. They force teams to make stupid moves merely to find "cap room" leading to even more absurd moves than what we see in baseball today.

If markets are unfair (and really, the ONLY situation that's a problem is NYC), the only real solution is to make markets more equal. The real solution, as someone else mentioned, is to move another team inot the NYC area. There is no doubt that a team in Staten Island, Northern NJ, or Southern Connecticut would be an easy sell. There are successful minor league franchises in all those areas that would provide a strong base of fans.


Yes salray cap gave football a rise in fans and gives all teams a chance and brings a lvl playing fiield to all the teams. This is why baseball is decling in popualirty compared to football. Cap makes all markets equal like football and example of this is the green bay packersthere city is nearly as big as the new yorks and yet they are still better than them. Baseball needs to follow footballs cap.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:57 pm

Anonymous wrote:Yes salray cap gave football a rise in fans and gives all teams a chance and brings a lvl playing fiield to all the teams. This is why baseball is decling in popualirty compared to football. Cap makes all markets equal like football and example of this is the green bay packersthere city is nearly as big as the new yorks and yet they are still better than them. Baseball needs to follow footballs cap.


1. The rise in football's popularity predates the salary cap. Since 1985, there's been literally no change. In fact, since 1985 the percentage of people who say they follow football has not changed one percentage point. The percentage who identify it as their favorite sport has been between 29 and 24 percent every year since 1985.

2. While baseball's popularity has dropped it's not possible to link that to competitive balance, because, in fact, competitive balance has been increasing in baseball.

3. Caps do not make markets equal. They make payrolls equal. In other words, they force teams that could spend more to spend less, putting a lower quality product out on the floor and making decisons based not on what is best for the team, but what is driven by an artificial limit.

4. There's no evidence that small markets (at least those willing to pay $50-75 million in payroll) cannot compete. Well-managed teams in that salary range can compete regularly.

5. Those who want a cap have to deal with reality. Football had a weak union which the owners simply broke. That ain't going to happen in baseball, where the union is much stronger.
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Postby swingaway » Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:16 pm

one thign i have to say is lets get bill gates to own a mlb team and he would have the resources to outbid the yankees at thier own game.Even if one of the sigings bust he can still buy another.
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