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Re: Where is the right place to pick Brandon Phillips?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:24 am
by The Cow
Snakes Gould wrote:
The Cow wrote:Chase is 29, Phillips 27, so that edge goes to Phillips. You guys can say Phillips had a career year at age 26, but did he? By his age he should be reaching his peak not declining. Utley had a nice age 26 year did people shy away from him then? No...

The Cow


really? i dont see that big of difference. you take phillips, and ill take utley. :-S


Lets take a look at Utley and Phillips age 26 years:

Utley age 26 .291 93 28 105 16

BP age 26 .288 107 30 94 32

Now isn't that something? Phillips actually had a better age 26 year. Now was Utley more proven at age 25? Lets see, lets compare their age 25 years:

Utley age 25 .266 36 13 57 4 in 267 ABs
BP age 25 .276 65 17 75 25 in 536 ABs

So actually BP was the more proven player at age 25. So why again is BP going to flop? Because his career number through age 26 are actually better than Utley's through age 26. Now will BP improve in his age 27 year as Utley did? Hard to say, but through age 26 BP posted better fantasy numbers than Utley through age 26.

I find it quite interesting that Phillips and Utley through age 26 had such similar numbers very striking.

The Cow

Re: Where is the right place to pick Brandon Phillips?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:25 am
by IllinoisBandit
Snakes Gould wrote:why are you comparing them both at 26? we're talking about THIS year. what they did before is irrelevant.


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Re: Where is the right place to pick Brandon Phillips?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:35 am
by The Cow
Snakes Gould wrote:why are you comparing them both at 26? we're talking about THIS year. what they did before is irrelevant.


Well I will type slow. I am trying to show that Phillips is not a fluke and did not have a career year. Utley right now is the gold standard at 2B, who better to compare BP to? The facts or the stats show quite plainly that Utley and BP had very similar careers through age 26. I don't remember any Utley fluke or career year threads after Utley's age 26 year. But yet BP is somehow a fluke despite posting better numbers than Utley through age 26. What I am trying to show THIS year is that BP is in fact a safe pick for THIS year. I just find it odd that so many people are calling BP's 26 year a career year. Write off BP if you will, but 30/30 2B do not grow on trees. Let alone 26 year old 30/30 2B! The peak age for players on average is 27 so the odds are that BP actually will improve this year.

The Cow

Re: Where is the right place to pick Brandon Phillips?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:53 am
by The Cow
While Phillips was struggling in the majors at a young age, Utley was either on the minors or college. So it could be as simple as BP being rushed to the majors too soon. My opinion is that BP was stuck in his ways and resistant to change, not very coachable if you will. BP gets cut and something clicks. Tribe screwed up cutting BP for Ramon Vazquez this much is certain. The reports around here were that BP was immature and uncoachable when he was with the Tribe.

I wouldn't let the fact that a guy struggled at a young age stop me from drafting him. IMO BP made some sort of adjustment and was able to improve. I would still draft Utley before BP, but there are several good 2B for a change. I can understand someone wanting to wait on a 2B such as Kinsler or Cano for example, not to mention Upton. 2b is relatively deep compared to years past.

I think BP is a safe bet to post numbers like last year and those are 2nd round numbers easily. I would draft BP before a Beltran.

The Cow

Re: Where is the right place to pick Brandon Phillips?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:13 am
by The Cow
Snakes Gould wrote:the tribe didnt cut him, they traded him...

04-07-2006: Traded by Cleveland Indians to Cincinnati Reds for Jeff Stevens.


Basically a cut it was one of those end of spring training out of options deals. The Tribe kept Ramon Vazquez over BP, the word is that Wedge made this decision, his reasoning was that BP was not a good fit for the utility role. Because there was no way BP could beat out the HOFer Ronnie Belliard. Yes BP was traded for a 22 yr old A ball minor league relief pitcher.

The Cow