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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:05 am
by Lofunzo
IMHO, middle relievers have much more value when holds is a cat. If it's not, then I might only take 1 if there is no good starter or closer available. Soriano's numbers were great but remember that he only pitched 53 innings. That's not a huge body of work. The LIMA Plan is also not foolproof. You need to know what you're doing, hope that no one else does what you are doing, and be on top of the WW. I would take a smart FB player with a balanced team over an idiot doing the LIMA Plan any day.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:18 am
by RynMan
how can you say you dont like a guy as a starter cuz he doesnt have a changeup? what a joke. tim hudson doesnt have a changeup.....man he really sucks. dont anyone draft hudson this year!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:07 pm
by jbones733
well my league counts holds also, Plus Soriano put up great #'s this year. If guardado goes down, hes the closer & they are grooming him to be the starter, He has a miniscule whip, era & k's over a guy per inning. I see alot of value there

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:18 pm
by SharukhIsReallyCool
hybrid wrote:
SharukhIsReallyCool wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read an article where Soriano, himself, said he doesn't feel comfortable staring games and he wants to be a closer. To me, that says that he will never be a starter


Interesting, he was a starter throughout the minors with great sucess, try and find that article man. I'd like to see it.


actually your wrong, he was an outfielder till he prooved he couldn't hit at all. then they converted him to a starting pitcher. 2 reasons i don't like soriano as a starter much. one, he lacks a change up and two he has had a few injuries and i don't think he will be able to throw many innings. they should make him a closer in my mind.


I know he used to play OF, but he has been an SP throughout his minor league career: over 5 years and 76 starts. I don't think he played a minor league game at any other position.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:19 pm
by Jer19G
Such a talent! I would take him in a draft because IMO there is no way Meche, Franklin, or Garcia are going to have good years. I can see Franklin loosing his job and SOuriano stepping up and doing a great job. And if a starter gets hurt, souriano will be the first in line to fill-in.

BTW, Middle relievers can have value, you just gotta know how to use them.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:01 pm
by RynMan
Jer19G wrote:Such a talent! I would take him in a draft because IMO there is no way Meche, Franklin, or Garcia are going to have good years. I can see Franklin loosing his job and SOuriano stepping up and doing a great job. And if a starter gets hurt, souriano will be the first in line to fill-in.

BTW, Middle relievers can have value, you just gotta know how to use them.


well said!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:11 pm
by Rohan
If any of Seattle's pitchers go down, Soriano will get the start. And I'll be the first one to pick him off waivers

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:15 pm
by justinA
Dude86 wrote:
SharukhIsReallyCool wrote:Middle relievers with whips that resemble typos have value.



No, they don't. Unless your in the deepest league ever there is always a better option than a middle reliever. A middle reliever is nothing more than a wasted roster spot unless you're in a kepper league then you can hold on to him.

i can tell u in my 14 team league last year, having soriano over say Ryan Franklin starting would have helping me out huge in ERA and WHIP. When you get 53 quality innings out of a guy with a WHIP like his its big. IF you kept him active the entire year, its like 7.5 outstanding 7 inning starts. Say I rotated Franklin in and out last year, I doubt i got more than 60 inn out of him with much higher ERA and WHIP and just a few more wins.

Finally, the reason he is valuable in almost any league, except the really small ones, is because if u have a deep bench where you rotate starters, just leave him in, and its like having a 1/9 of a start everytime he pitches with a fraction of the WHIP/ERA

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:08 am
by j7
agree, the 1 inning outings can add up and help alot. he can also be in line for some middle-relief w's this year, i think Melvin would use him in alot of tight games

i noticed the Mariner's signed Ron Villone. so that kinda confuses me about Soriano becoming a starter. if someone goes DL, would'nt Villone go in the rotation first ?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:24 am
by canibus
Great points about Soriano. Darn, I forgot about him in my draft. Would you say that guys like Quantrill, Valverde, or K-Rod have similar value in non-holds leagues?

Here's my pitching staff, for arguments sake(8 team,5x5,h2h):

SP - Mike Mussina(3), NYY
SP - Roy Oswalt(5), HOU
SP - Randy Johnson(6), ARI
SP - Greg Maddux(16), CHC
RP - Eddie Guadardo(12), SEA
RP - Jason Isringhausen(trade), StL
P - F.Cordero(13), TEX
P - CC Sabathia(15) SP, CLE
Bench - Edwin Jackson(21) SP, LA
Bench - Brad Penny(FA) SP, FLA
Bench - Ben Sheets(17) SP, MIL
Bench - Damaso Marte(23) RP, CWS