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Postby savvy_stu » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:40 pm

Guys,

I'm a commisioner for my fantasy league that I have with my buddies.

Problem is, several of them would rather use OBP than BA.

2 questions!

How will this affect Pre-Draft rankings if we do use OBP?

Can you guys think of any good arguments for why BA is better for Fantasy Leagues?
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Postby Mordraken » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:00 pm

Not me - I love OBP. OBP gives a much better representation of the effectiveness of the batter.

It's a huge change for players who get on base through patience. Bonds becomes even more valuable since he'll walk about 1 in 5 at bats... his OBP is close to .500 for the past 3 years. That player that walks 1 in 4 at bats goes from an unproductive day to a .250 contribution. And that batter that goes 0-1 with 4 walks turns into a huge value.

If you really want to shake things up, replace HRs with SLG. That makes a single more valuable than a walk, and a double more valuable than a single, and so on. It mitigates the "bad" side of OBP (only) which is that a guy who never hits but walks a lot is as good as a guy who hits doubles and homers all the time.
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Postby xeifrank » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:05 pm

Well, I have no preference over either one. I would think that if they wanted to be picky they should use OPS (OBP + SLG) instead of OBP or AVE.

Using OBP does change the player rankings. Now people who get alot of walks like Bonds will jump up in the rankings quite a bit. I haven't run the numbers to see where it would bump him and others to, but maybe someone else could chime in on that one.

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Postby bleach168 » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:18 pm

Tried OBP last year. LOVED IT.

Really, it's not much different from regular batting average except you add in walks and HBPs.

If anyone here wants to play in an OBP instead of Avg. league, send me a PM. That's how my league is set up (16 team 5x5 Roto)
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Postby erknjerk » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:33 pm

I'm using hits and walks. So it makes the guys that hit alot of balls and the guys that get alot walks comparable?
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Postby jbuk » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:10 pm

I like OBP over AVG as well, much more realistic to the real game, it also makes Bonds a monster.

Strangely, it also makes Adam Dunn draftable.
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Postby grammysboy » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:21 pm

We're going to OBP this year and doing a sort on players 3 year averages shows just how valuable Bonds can really be. We've been looking for a median number to use as a bench mark when drafting.

The problem with just picking the mid-point among all players is you're taking into consideration all players who had an AB during that time. We arbitrarily decided to require 250 AB/year then rank the players among that bunch. The median OBP was .338. I'm sure some of the "big time" math people here can give a formula for correlating OBP to BA. I know its out there, I just havn't figured it out yet.
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Postby EricF » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:40 pm

Another guy who looks a lot better with OBP rather than AVG is Adam Dunn.
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