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You play the manager

Postby keeks137 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:14 am

OK, I know this is going to sound like moaning, and I'm not going to lie, about 40% of the purpose of this post is to bitch and moan. However, I do actually want an answer to the question.

Bottom of the 12th inning last night. Cubs at the Braves. 1 out. Chipper Jones at the plate with a man on first. That guy steals second. The count is full against Chipper. You don't walk Chipper, because.......

I can give you four reasons to walk him:

- You set up the double play, or at the very least open the door to an easier force out.
- He's a ridiculous hitter
- You're in a full count, so if you're actually trying to pitch to him, you have to give him something good.
- The bullpen is crap. You can't tell them to artfully throw a "pitcher's pitch"

Can anyone give me one reason NOT to walk him. Just one?
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Re: You play the manager

Postby Fighting Platypi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:52 am

The one reason that springs to mind is that you move the winning run into a scoring position.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby keeks137 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:00 am

Fighting Platypi wrote:The one reason that springs to mind is that you move the winning run into a scoring position.


Nope. The guy on first stole second, so first was open and the runner was already in scoring position. My situation description could have been a little clearer... sorry.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:07 am

Fighting Platypi wrote:The one reason that springs to mind is that you move the winning run into a scoring position.

After stealing second, Escobar was already in scoring position. Walking Jones would not have advanced him.

Jones should have been walked there. He has a history of success against Heilman (after last night, 7 hits and 2 HRs in 13 ABs), so letting that AB play out really doesn't make much sense.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby Fighting Platypi » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:26 pm

Ah, missed the steal.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby Another Blown Save » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:37 pm

You can't intentionally walk a guy with 2 strikes on.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby drunkmonkey » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:03 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:You can't intentionally walk a guy with 2 strikes on.


I've never heard that before. Are you sure?
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Re: You play the manager

Postby keeks137 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:04 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:You can't intentionally walk a guy with 2 strikes on.


Ok, maybe. That's the best I've heard yet.

I still don't agree with it...

I think you can walk the guy if he's a) Chipper Jones and b) it's two strikes, but it's a full count as well.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby Another Blown Save » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:14 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
Another Blown Save wrote:You can't intentionally walk a guy with 2 strikes on.


I've never heard that before. Are you sure?

I didn't mean that rules doesn't allow a manager to intentionally walk a hitter with 2 strikes on, but rather from a philosophical stand point.
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Re: You play the manager

Postby drunkmonkey » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:38 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:
Another Blown Save wrote:You can't intentionally walk a guy with 2 strikes on.


I've never heard that before. Are you sure?

I didn't mean that rules doesn't allow a manager to intentionally walk a hitter with 2 strikes on, but rather from a philosophical stand point.


Gotcha. ;-D I'm a little slow today.
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