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Postby kickureface » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:55 am

who are they? maybe their april is very bad, or maybe their entire pre-ASB is really bad. we can target those right before expected turnarounds for buy lows
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby Tis » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:38 am

Mark Tei.... um... hmmm, never mind. :-*
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby Tavish » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:06 am

Ryan Howard, Tulo, Fielder all are fairly slow starters normally. Verlander and Lester usually have bad first months.
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby Ender » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:47 am

Players who don't get a lot of meatballs thrown at them start slow. April is mostly random, I wouldn't really worry about it much. Colorado(ball doesn't fly as much in the cold) and Wrigley(wind tends to be blowing in) play as pitcher parks in early months and then hitter's parks later, but that is all heavily dependent on the weather too.

Generally power comes slower as do curveballs so players who rely on those things suffer a bit early.

But I'll add Adam LaRoche to the list.
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby wingman3110 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:05 am

heres the link for the Buy low/Sell high thread over in the trade forum
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not much activity now but could always use some input ;-D
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:22 pm

This is just talk radio/fantasy columnist fodder. It's so easy to look back at who already has had poor starts/finishes to a lot of seasons, but try to predict it before it happens based on past results. You can't. To even attempt to acquire or trade players based on these pseudo-patterns is a waste of time and probably detrimental to your team. Ask those that got rid of Dan Haren last year, or passed on drafting Teix this year. It's fun to talk about, but it's futile.
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby thejusman1 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Skin Blues wrote:This is just talk radio/fantasy columnist fodder. It's so easy to look back at who already has had poor starts/finishes to a lot of seasons, but try to predict it before it happens based on past results. You can't. To even attempt to acquire or trade players based on these pseudo-patterns is a waste of time and probably detrimental to your team. Ask those that got rid of Dan Haren last year, or passed on drafting Teix this year. It's fun to talk about, but it's futile.


I don't know about that. While there can always be outliers, Haren/Teix fit the slow-finisher/slow-starter mold pretty well until recently. Other names mentioned in this thread, like Fielder, Lester, and Adam LaRoche, are notorious slow starters. And for some guys, it's just a matter of ballpark factors, as Ender said in his previous post. Warmer temperatures just translates to bigger offensive numbers. Coors/Arlington Park just become launching pads over the summer.
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:03 pm

Is this just a feeling, or backed up by any actual numbers? What are the Coors/Arlington park factors for April and how do they differ from the rest of the year? Did anybody look at this? Would it be far-fetched for all parks be helped and hurt by colder weather in the spring and the warmer weather in the summer?

Also, today Jon Lester: 9 Ks, 3 H, 7 IP, 0 ER. Dan Haren proved last year that he's not always worse in the second half, just like I said before it happened. Teix isn't always bad in the first half, as we can clearly see. Prince Fielder's worst month the past 2 seasons were both April. But before that? 2008 was August. 2007 was July. 2006 was June (and best month was April). This theory is absolutely useless as far as I can see.
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Re: traditional slow starters

Postby MasterO » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:23 am

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