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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:11 pm
by NZF
j_d_mcnugent wrote: he has talent and mazzone magic on his side. thats a winning combination if you ask me.


So did Russ Ortiz and Jason Marquis.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:13 pm
by FatGuyWithAMullet
New Zealand Fan wrote:
j_d_mcnugent wrote: he has talent and mazzone magic on his side. thats a winning combination if you ask me.


So did Russ Ortiz and Jason Marquis.


What's your point? Neither of them could ever hold a candle to John Smoltz.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:17 pm
by NZF
Never said they do. My point is just because a guy is talented and Mazzone is coaching them, that doesn't automatically guarantee a successful season.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:17 pm
by Manfred
What everyone misses is that Smoltz is the biggest competitor in the game. He is a sick athlete....he can will himself to 15 wins easy. The guy is going to be a monster this year.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:27 pm
by FatGuyWithAMullet
Well Ortiz had a couple successful seasons under Mazzone and Marquis continually butted heads with Mazzone - much like Odalis Perez.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:32 pm
by NZF
FatGuyWithAMullet wrote:Well Ortiz had a couple successful seasons under Mazzone


He had one. Last year he went backwards.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:40 pm
by RynMan
Ortiz is a terrible pitcher. He is the product of pitching in great pitchers parks and good run support. The guy walks WAY too many guys to be successful. Mazzone didnt really do anything for Ortiz in my opinion. Signing him to the contract AZ did, may have been the worst signing this offseason.