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Postby jonnyblack » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:25 pm

Bloody Nipples wrote:
jonnyblack wrote:Also, if you have to have a crappy closer to grab some cheap saves but with bad ratios, a solid MR can help offset some of the other crappy stats, assuming you have the innings to burn.

Edit: How many times can I say crappy in lieu of better adjectives?


You can add some more:
Also, if you have to have a crappy closer to grab some crappy saves but with crappy ratios, a non-crappy MR can help offset some of the other crappy stats, assuming you have the innings to crap on.

:-D

Back to the topic: I plan on using middle relievers, but not on drafting more than one. Good ones come out of nowhere all the time, so I plan on picking a few off the WW during the course of the year. The good thing about them, especially in dynasty and keeper leagues, is that the better ones often turn into closers, giving you cheap saves with good ratios. Krod is the best example.


lol ;-D

Agreed, solid middle releivers usually do not show their solidity until they have played solidly for a month or so (with the exception of a few solid guys at the top). with regular roster limitations, a solid manager can find solid MR's on the WW. I hope that helps solidify my oppinion of using MR's.
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Postby mbuser » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:33 pm

another way to look at it -- i planned on drafting brad lidge and francisco rodriguez in every league last year (and succeeded in most) and it payed off even more than i had hoped. this year guys like bj ryan and juan rincon deserve as much of a look as late-round SP with as much downside as anything else

~80 IP from a stud MR is worth much more to me than 140 IP from a very average SP
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Postby lbbaseball14 » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:39 pm

my league has no maximum innings pitched. does this make sp's more valuable?
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:40 pm

The trick is to get a guy who is a defined setup man with a chance to vulture that closer role in case of a screw up. See K-Rod and Lidge. I picked up Lidge while he was a MR, used his great WHIP/ERA and Ks, and then when he got the closer role he was a great source at saves. Of course, finding these guys is easier said than done.
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Postby Shlabotnik » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:38 pm

I agree with the major points already listed previously:
1. Gotta have an "extra" roster space and
2. Only keep him if he is in a volatile closer situation.

Kyle Farnsworth and David Riske come to mind for next year...
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Postby El Gaupo » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:46 pm

Shlabotnik wrote:I agree with the major points already listed previously:
1. Gotta have an "extra" roster space and
2. Only keep him if he is in a volatile closer situation.

Kyle Farnsworth and David Riske come to mind for next year...


BJ Ryan was grabbed for $1 in our keeper league, last year
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Postby mbuser » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:14 pm

lbbaseball14 wrote:my league has no maximum innings pitched. does this make sp's more valuable?

not really -- it depends on the categories, but more of the time you want quality not quantity for your IP, whether they are capped or not
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Postby Rico The Retard » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:46 pm

unless holds count in a league, i dont use middle relievers
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Postby Madison » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:02 pm

In roto leagues with an innings cap and 5x5 scoring, I do not use middle relievers.

Now with no innings cap and H2H leagues, middle relievers gain some value for me. Oh, and if holds are a scoring cat, then obviously I'll have a few middle relievers.
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Postby Dans » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:45 am

I tried using MR's last year and the problem I had was that 1 bad outing destroyed their ratios and it took them months to get them back down which I didn't have the patience for. Now, clearly I chose the wrong guys, but any MR can have a bad outing and it will hurt you.
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