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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:17 pm

I'd avoid Beltran unless you can get him at the end of the first round. Even as a Mets fan I know he's got nowhere to go but down.

Pujols>Arod>Vlad>Tejada>Helton>Beltran
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Postby Rico The Retard » Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:33 pm

Absolutely Adequate wrote:I'd avoid Beltran unless you can get him at the end of the first round. Even as a Mets fan I know he's got nowhere to go but down.

Pujols>Arod>Vlad>Tejada>Helton>Beltran


agreed, people are way to overhyped on Beltran, i dont even know why some people consider him better than Vlad, vlad beats him in all categories except steals where its not a complete knokcout becuz Vlad at least get you about 20 SB's
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:37 pm

To rate Arod ahead of Vlad is folly. Vlad will murder him in average easily, and beat him in the other power cats. ARod will have a 5-7 SB advantage. Not worth taking him ahead of Vlad.
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Postby NZF » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:51 pm

Rico The Retard wrote:
Besaid_Aurochs wrote:Vladdy > Pujols.


Vlad is good and is definitely better than Arod and Beltran, but hes not better than pujols



IMO there is more jutification taking Vlad at 1 ahead of Pujols than the other way around.

Realistically you can expect very similar avg, runs and rbi's.
Pujols wins HR's by just a handful. Vlad wins SB's possibly by as many as 15. With that scenario, Vlad is definitely more valuable.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:58 pm

Absolutely Adequate wrote:I'd avoid Beltran unless you can get him at the end of the first round. Even as a Mets fan I know he's got nowhere to go but down.


Nowhere to go but down? Come on AA. The Mets finally sign someone talented, and you are down on him? Why is he headed down? He's only 27, just entering his prime. Leaving Houston is good for him, as he became pull happy with that short porch hitting only 258 there. Check out these road numbers

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Beltran does it all. Better not let CM and LBJ see this thread. :-o

Scurvy, if Vlad is gone go Beltran.
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Postby blankman » Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:41 pm

I have Alex, Vlad, Beltran, but Alex and Vlad are very close. With the 3rd pick I personally wouldn't take Beltran. Alex and Vlad are both more sure things and you can't go wrong with either in my opinion.
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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:15 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
Absolutely Adequate wrote:I'd avoid Beltran unless you can get him at the end of the first round. Even as a Mets fan I know he's got nowhere to go but down.


Nowhere to go but down? Come on AA. The Mets finally sign someone talented, and you are down on him? Why is he headed down? He's only 27, just entering his prime. Leaving Houston is good for him, as he became pull happy with that short porch hitting only 258 there. Check out these road numbers

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63 rbis

Beltran does it all. Better not let CM and LBJ see this thread. :-o

Scurvy, if Vlad is gone go Beltran.


You could be right, Hootie. And I don't mean that Beltran is going to get worse - I don't mean that at all. What I mean is that he isn't as good as he was in the postseason.

I do think he'll hit .290 with 30 homers, 30 steals, 100 runs, and 100 rbis. Which is fantastic. But I think that Arod will significantly outperform him.

Looking at Shea and the Mets lineup, I think that he'll raise his average but his 38 home runs will come down. I think that his 42 stolen bases will be hard to duplicate in a lineup where he's expected to drive in the runs.

(Also, Yahoo says that Beltran hit .224 at Minute Maid. Where do you get .258?)
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:18 pm

Does anyone notice that it is usually only the Yankee fans who have Arod ranked ahead of Pujols or Vlad? :-D
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Postby Ender » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:54 am

I'm not a yankee's fan and I"m pretty even on the 3 of them. I expect Arod to put up much better numbers this year than last year. Pujols injury is a concern, no matter what people say. If the cards blow away the division he'll be resting during the fantasy playoffs. Beltran's average scares me as does the move to the mets. That leaves me with Vlad as probably my #1 pick.

I would go Vlad > Arod > Pujols > Beltran > Tejada most likely atm, though my draft tables aren't set in stone yet. Arod could easily slip to #3 for me. We do have CI slot in our league though so while 3B is deep I expect many teams to pull 2 top 1b or 3b early.
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Postby Rico The Retard » Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:18 am

CubsFan7724 wrote:Does anyone notice that it is usually only the Yankee fans who have Arod ranked ahead of Pujols or Vlad? :-D


or the idiots who take yahoo seriously :-D
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